Union members' attitudes towards their non-union member colleagues.

[Grandad.Malky 11]

Conrod said that his employees have no need of unions because of their working conditions. .

 

Well they aren’t going to say my employees need to be in a union because I am a complete ********** are they.

 

I haven’t reread the whole thread but didn’t Conrod mention some kind of a workers spokesman or group ………. Call that what you want but that sounds pretty much like a “union” to me.

[Tony 10]

Conrod might not be everyone's cup of tea but I've never, ever, seen any evidence that he's a liar or dishonest - quite the opposite.

 

If only the same could be said of unions and employers of a lower calibre than Conrod.

 

Many people don't like the truth. That makes unions really handy because they exist in the area outside the truth.

[ricgem2002 11]

Conrod might not be everyone's cup of tea but I've never, ever, seen any evidence that he's a liar or dishonest - quite the opposite.

 

If only the same could be said of unions and employers of a lower calibre than Conrod.

 

Many people don't like the truth. That makes unions really handy because they exist in the area outside the truth.

so saying that he would make any excuse up to get rid of them if they joined a union is not dishonest:huh:

[Conrod 10]

Well they aren’t going to say my employees need to be in a union because I am a complete ********** are they.

 

I haven’t reread the whole thread but didn’t Conrod mention some kind of a workers spokesman or group ………. Call that what you want but that sounds pretty much like a “union” to me.

No, I didn't mention anything like that, other than a mention of how undesirable the 1970s mentality shop steward types are.

Running a small business, I only want first rate staff. Average and under-average staff are easy to come by, but the good ones will be known in their local trade and can walk into a job any time they want. For that reason it’s entirely in my interests, or those of any sensible employer, to keep staff motivated and happy, or they would just walk.

Some people seem to forget that the arrangement works both ways. The employee may be dependant on the wages, but the employer is just as dependant on the work the employee does. Any employer who doesn’t offer a fair package and a friendly, personable working environment is a fool to his firm’s productivity.

[ricgem2002 11]

No, I didn't mention anything like that, other than a mention of how undesirable the 1970s mentality shop steward types are.

Running a small business, I only want first rate staff. Average and under-average staff are easy to come by, but the good ones will be known in their local trade and can walk into a job any time they want. For that reason it’s entirely in my interests, or those of any sensible employer, to keep staff motivated and happy, or they would just walk.

Some people seem to forget that the arrangement works both ways. The employee may be dependant on the wages, but the employer is just as dependant on the work the employee does. Any employer who doesn’t offer a fair package and a friendly, personable working environment is a fool to his firm’s productivity.

back tracking now :hihi:

[Tony 10]

so saying that he would make any excuse up to get rid of them if they joined a union is not dishonest:huh:

 

Since he could only use legal reasons I'd have said that he was quite the opposite. Employees should know exactly where they stand but they have no need of a union anyway.

 

But I go back to my previous point - the best future is one where unions are simply unnecessary.

 

The trouble with that is that many people live their lives as the lowest common denominator. Excellence is a stranger to them. Unions only exist in that world, not in a better one.

 

Are you happy to live a substandard life?

[Conrod 10]

back tracking now :hihi:

What? Show me where I'm back-tracking.

[Rupert_Baehr 10]

Employees in a unionised workplace that have chosen not to join the union are often resented by some of their colleagues that are union members, because the non-union members can of course reep the "benifits" that the union wins for the employees of the company even though they've not paid into the union.

 

I can understand why this causes some resentment, but isn't this attitude of the union members towards their non-union member colleagues akin to the capitalist approach, in as much as you as an individual get of of life what you put in, so if you dont join the union and pay into it you dont get the benefits of it?

 

 

"The working class can kiss my arse ...

I've got the foreman's job at last."

 

Good money being a convenor/Union executive.

 

I asked my convenore to intercede on my behalf (some years ago) but his son was married to the Bosses daughter.

 

"Oh well, there are many points to consider".

 

"The working class can kiss my arse,

I've got the foreman's job at last."

[Funky_Gibbon 42]

What a tediously ill-informed thread this is. Started with a strawman argument and continued with snippets of 'facts' learned from the Sun and Mail.

[ricgem2002 11]

Since he could only use legal reasons I'd have said that he was quite the opposite. Employees should know exactly where they stand but they have no need of a union anyway.

 

But I go back to my previous point - the best future is one where unions are simply unnecessary.

 

The trouble with that is that many people live their lives as the lowest common denominator. Excellence is a stranger to them. Unions only exist in that world, not in a better one.

 

Are you happy to live a substandard life?

he could only use legal reasons brought about by lies what part of not being dishonest dont you get about that .i also think many people dont live a substandard life due to unions getting better working conditions for the workers

[Big time 10]

What a tediously ill-informed thread this is. Started with a strawman argument and continued with snippets of 'facts' learned from the Sun and Mail.

 

And along you came with reasoned arguments and to point out exactly where and why, in your opinion, we are wrong - Oh wait no you havn't, you've just stepped in and made an utterly useless post.

 

Thanks for coming anyway.

[Tony 10]

he could only use legal reasons brought about by lies what part of not being dishonest dont you get about that .i also think many people dont live a substandard life due to unions getting better working conditions for the workers

 

You've got yourself hooked on Yossarian's dilemma again.