Lets put Islam and the west's relationship into some real context.

[Balpin 12]

I dont think the religion itself would create too many problems, it is a religion like any other.

The problem is its adherents.

The religion began in an area of the world, which at that time was the centre of knowlege and education.

It then declined into a ragbag of poverty striken areas with nothing to call their own.

When we in the west see Islam today, we do not see it as a religion representing cutting edge technology, as it was at its creation.

We see it represented by backward and degenerate people.

 

Far from its claiming to be set in stone and unchanging, it needs great PR work, to bring the people of the west in line with it.

Modern, cosmopolitan, thinking people will never follow it in its present form.

 

The original Muslims threw out the old ways of thinking, for the fresh vibrant ideas of Mohammed.

They must do the same now, if their idea of an International Caliphate is to be realised.

 

We are now entering a new dawn, and need leaders.

The ideas of the 7th Century are just as viable, but they need updating and the sloughing away of millenia of dross that has attached itself to them.

[donkey 10]

How many people in the the UK actualy knew any Nazis during WWII, but they accepted that they were a threat?

 

Thanks for prooving my point. Only someone who has never socialised with people from Muslim cultures could possibly make such a ridiculous comparison. Your presumption that all Muslims (including the many who aren't even practicing) are Islamic extremists, comparable to Nazis, and 'a threat' speaks more of your narrow minded ignorance than anybody else's.

[LeMaquis 10]

I dont think the religion itself would create too many problems, it is a religion like any other.

The problem is its adherents.

The religion began in an area of the world, which at that time was the centre of knowlege and education.

It then declined into a ragbag of poverty striken areas with nothing to call their own.

 

You could say the same about the brands of Christianity espoused by Protestants from parts of Ulster or evangelicals from many states of the USA.

[Bassman62 10]

Thanks for prooving my point. Only someone who has never socialised with people from Muslim cultures could possibly make such a ridiculous comparison. Your presumption that all Muslims (including the many who aren't even practicing) are Islamic extremists, comparable to Nazis, and 'a threat' speaks more of your narrow minded ignorance than anybody else's.

You've also proved your ignorance as by your reply you assumed that I implied all Germans were nazis.

Surveys in the UK have returned figures stating that although not partaking in terrorism most Muslims in the UK support the actions especialy the younger element of the Muslims in the UK

[LeMaquis 10]

You've also proved your ignorance as by your reply you assumed that I implied all Germans were nazis.

Surveys in the UK have returned figures stating that although not partaking in terrorism most Muslims in the UK support the actions especialy the younger element of the Muslims in the UK

 

Surveys, eh? Quote your sources if you're going to make claims like that. If you can't quote any reliable sources - and I don't mean the Sun which said the recent Norway killings were the work of Al Qaeda - then you're making it up.

 

Remember that IRA bombing campaigns in this country were largely funded through NORAID, a bunch of Christians in your beloved USA.

[donkey 10]

You've also proved your ignorance as by your reply you assumed that I implied all Germans were nazis.

K

 

You are halucinating. You specifically compared Muslims to Nazis. There is no mention of 'Germans' in either your post or my reply to it.

 

Surveys in the UK have returned figures stating that although not partaking in terrorism most Muslims in the UK support the actions especialy the younger element of the Muslims in the UK

 

As is well known, people can find statistics to back up anything. The way the questions are phrased makes a huge difference to the replies.

 

It is only when the majority of studies point to the same thing, which in this case they don't, that the information is reliable.

[Bassman62 10]

I dont think the religion itself would create too many problems, it is a religion like any other.

The problem is its adherents.

The religion began in an area of the world, which at that time was the centre of knowlege and education.

It then declined into a ragbag of poverty striken areas with nothing to call their own.

When we in the west see Islam today, we do not see it as a religion representing cutting edge technology, as it was at its creation.

We see it represented by backward and degenerate people.

 

Far from its claiming to be set in stone and unchanging, it needs great PR work, to bring the people of the west in line with it.

Modern, cosmopolitan, thinking people will never follow it in its present form.

 

The original Muslims threw out the old ways of thinking, for the fresh vibrant ideas of Mohammed.

They must do the same now, if their idea of an International Caliphate is to be realised.

 

We are now entering a new dawn, and need leaders.

The ideas of the 7th Century are just as viable, but they need updating and the sloughing away of millenia of dross that has attached itself to them.

 

That kind of thinking may well have been so 20 or so years ago but the main reason behind the Arab Spring that is throwing off the ridiculous shackles of this medieval religion is down to the internet and mobile phones, no longer can the backward degenerate muslim religious leaders like those in Afghanistan who executed women for getting an education con the younger more broad minded young muslims who have seen how backward and degenerate the 13th century is in its present form due to todays modern communication technology letting on how life could be if they threw of the shackles.

[LeMaquis 10]

That kind of thinking may well have been so 20 or so years ago but the main reason behind the Arab Spring that is throwing off the ridiculous shackles of this medieval religion is down to the internet and mobile phones, no longer can the backward degenerate muslim religious leaders like those in Afghanistan who executed women for getting an education con the younger more broad minded young muslims who have seen how backward and degenerate the 13th century is in its present form due to todays modern communication technology letting on how life could be if they threw of the shackles.

 

The Taliban in Afghanistan were overthrown by NATO 10 years ago. The mosy notable scalps so far in the Arab Spring have been in Libya and Egypt which in recent years have been very pro-Western. Mubarak in particular was the West's favourite Muslim leader in the Middle East and Gadaffi has been particular in favour with western oil companies and governments. Make something else up and try again.

[Balpin 12]

That kind of thinking may well have been so 20 or so years ago but the main reason behind the Arab Spring that is throwing off the ridiculous shackles of this medieval religion is down to the internet and mobile phones, no longer can the backward degenerate muslim religious leaders like those in Afghanistan who executed women for getting an education con the younger more broad minded young muslims who have seen how backward and degenerate the 13th century is in its present form due to todays modern communication technology letting on how life could be if they threw of the shackles.

 

If Islam is really to throw off the shackles with which it binds itself, then it needs help.

It needs to rid itself of the Saud Family as its main benefactor.

Dont forget, the only, and I mean only, reason that Islam has such a high profile is that oil lies beneath Saudi Arabia.

And Mohammed, as did Jesus, despised usurers.

 

Dont forget, also, that as soon as the capitalist finds a new toy other than oil, Islam will fade once more.

That is a shame, as it has a lot going for it.

If, as I said earlier it would shed its barbaric and shameful practices, then many would buy into it, I think.

[Bassman62 10]

The Taliban in Afghanistan were overthrown by NATO 10 years ago. The mosy notable scalps so far in the Arab Spring have been in Libya and Egypt which in recent years have been very pro-Western. Mubarak in particular was the West's favourite Muslim leader in the Middle East and Gadaffi has been particular in favour with western oil companies and governments. Make something else up and try again.

My bold= The radaical Muslim taleban still murder schoolgirls on their way to school whenever the opportunity arises.

Not just two, you foreget Tunisia which set the ball rolling and what about all the other muslim places of unrest?

You maybe in denial but the domino effect has begun, moblie phones and the internet have seen to that.

What we should do in the west is be less dependent on Arab oil and let the anti western radical element in the Arab/Muslim world sink back into the abyss of the Dark Ages where their lifestyle and preachings belong.

[Bassman62 10]

If Islam is really to throw off the shackles with which it binds itself, then it needs help.

It needs to rid itself of the Saud Family as its main benefactor.

Dont forget, the only, and I mean only, reason that Islam has such a high profile is that oil lies beneath Saudi Arabia.

And Mohammed, as did Jesus, despised usurers.

 

Dont forget, also, that as soon as the capitalist finds a new toy other than oil, Islam will fade once more.

That is a shame, as it has a lot going for it.

If, as I said earlier it would shed its barbaric and shameful practices, then many would buy into it, I think.

The sooner we become less dependent on these fossil fuels to power our road vehicles and others that are dependent on fossil fuel the better.

I believe that the major oil companys and the government have too much to lose, that is why alternatives are slow to come through.

[upinwath 10]

Like the world heretige protected Buddhist statues that the Mulsims blew to pieces in Afghanistan?

 

I saw that at the time. Quite disgusting behaviour from extremists.

Tell me, what would you do with mosques in the UK if you had political power?