Do Schools discriminate against autistic children?

[go4it 10]

You know what i fear you are fighting a losing battle with this school and as much as i want advice you to scream and shout and fight to get the support and understanding your lad deserves!! i dont actually feel (from your posts) that this is what would be best for your boy.

 

In your shoes (which i have stood in) i would be looking for a new school, if his current school have wasted the time of the experts!! (whta was the point in them asking for help in the first place?) then they are unlikely to get any better tbh. The sheer ignorance of the staff it appalling, putting it mildly!.

 

This is only one side of the story.

[mrseggy 10]

Firstly how are either of your posts helpful to the OP ? why post if you dont actually have anything useful to add? i dont understand why you even bother to post on this board at all tbh. I dont think i have ever seen you post anything remotely useful or helpful!! you have the knack of making parents of children with disabilities/special needs feel like crap!

 

You can't prove dyslexia.

 

And you cant prove other wise either can you??(because of course if you cant see the additional needs, its not really there is it? ). Im actually amazed you've not spewed your usual crap on how if you parent the child different, then everything will be fine!

 

This is only one side of the story.

 

And how am i meant to get both sides Go4it? invite the said teachers along to give there story too? I think you'll find that they are far to busy brushing up on their medical degree's, seeing as they are far more qualified to do the job, than several high standing medical professionals!!!

[go4it 10]

Firstly how are either of your posts helpful to the OP ? why post if you dont actually have anything useful to add? i dont understand why you even bother to post on this board at all tbh. I dont think i have ever seen you post anything remotely useful or helpful!! you have the knack of making parents of children with disabilities/special needs feel like crap!

 

 

 

And you cant prove other wise either can you??(because of course if you cant see the additional needs, its not really there is it? ). Im actually amazed you've not spewed your usual crap on how if you parent the child different, then everything will be fine!

 

 

 

And how am i meant to get both sides Go4it? invite the said teachers along to give there story too? I think you'll find that they are far to busy brushing up on their medical degree's, seeing as they are far more qualified to do the job, than several high standing medical professionals!!!

 

Obviously my posts are never useful to you because they dare to question the other side of the story.

 

You used words like 'sheer ignorance' - how can you say that when you don't know the full side of the story?

 

Lets look at facts - you can't get a 100% diagnosis of dyslexia and there is no magic test for autism, hence why ed psychs are employed to give an opinion. I don't see what you find so upsetting about that?

 

The home life of a child is key. Everyone assumes everything is genetic but don't realise the behaviours their children pick up from them. A school is a deprived area could be overloaded with so-called ASD cases with children who quite frankly have not developed due to poor parenting. I am not saying the OP is a bad parent, something you always jump to, but you have to look at the big picture. If the school has 10 ASD children, and maybe only really one of them is actually ASD then resources are strained and the one with actual ASD is not getting the service. The OP's child could be this one.

[JayneRay 10]

Obviously my posts are never useful to you because they dare to question the other side of the story.

 

You used words like 'sheer ignorance' - how can you say that when you don't know the full side of the story?

 

Lets look at facts - you can't get a 100% diagnosis of dyslexia and there is no magic test for autism, hence why ed psychs are employed to give an opinion. I don't see what you find so upsetting about that?

 

The home life of a child is key. Everyone assumes everything is genetic but don't realise the behaviours their children pick up from them. A school is a deprived area could be overloaded with so-called ASD cases with children who quite frankly have not developed due to poor parenting. I am not saying the OP is a bad parent, something you always jump to, but you have to look at the big picture. If the school has 10 ASD children, and maybe only really one of them is actually ASD then resources are strained and the one with actual ASD is not getting the service. The OP's child could be this one.

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Following on from this logic then I take it there are no schools in the more affulent areas of the city who have children with additional needs then ? and all children with ASD come from socio deprived areas ?

Well said Mrseggy

[mrseggy 10]

Obviously my posts are never useful to you because they dare to question the other side of the story.

 

Nope it is nothing to do with you daring to question, its that fact that you have very little knowledge of additional needs, but yet you are not willing to listen to those that do! for obvious reasons this is always a subject that is upsetting for the families involved, you show little to no empathy.

 

You used words like 'sheer ignorance' - how can you say that when you don't know the full side of the story?

 

Come off it!!, how can i see both sides of the story when one side is complete tosh! . I know what im talking about, i live with ASD 24/7 and through various means i know literally dozens of children with various disabilities. I have never heard of a child being mis diagnosed with an ASD!, however i have met loads of parents that have been accused of being a poor parent!. This is always the first thing they look for. When my daughter was diagnosed i would have given anything!, to have been told that i simply needed to do this, that, and the other, and everything would be fine!, that actually it was all our fault and the heart rendering and sometime terrifying issues my little girl was experiencing could all be remedied with extra experiences, activities and better parenting skills.

 

Lets look at facts - you can't get a 100% diagnosis of dyslexia and there is no magic test for autism, hence why ed psychs are employed to give an opinion. I don't see what you find so upsetting about that?

 

With regards to the dyslexia (which being totally honest i dont have that much knowledge of) how is diagnosing something like this a problem? agreed there is no magic test, but if an Ed psych diagnosing it, gives the school the tools to help the child gain the education they need to succeed then what's the problem?, should we just just go back to the old school ways, and shove them in a different room and label them a lazy and thick?.

 

The home life of a child is key. Everyone assumes everything is genetic but don't realise the behaviours their children pick up from them.

 

Again you couldnt be more off the mark if you tried, we have NO! genetic link to my daughters ASD at all, both my husband and i are out going sociable people (as are my other two children), so no i cant see how this is learnt behaviour............IF ONLY!! if it was that simple! jeeeze, why are we bothering to pay for these doctors?.

 

By all means offer suggestions of what may help the family, lots of the suggestions i have seen you make before are helpful, but what help are you offering by questioning their childs diagnosis? its very insensitive.

 

A school is a deprived area could be overloaded with so-called ASD cases with children who quite frankly have not developed due to poor parenting. I am not saying the OP is a bad parent, something you always jump to, but you have to look at the big picture. If the school has 10 ASD children, and maybe only really one of them is actually ASD then resources are strained and the one with actual ASD is not getting the service. The OP's child could be this one.

 

Are you mad?? seriously? do you actually think that nine cases out of 10 could be mis diagnosed? we have discussed this at length before. The diagnosis criteria for ASD is HUGH!!! and if the child does not score high in all three triads of impairments, then they dont get the diagnosis. This has to be agreed and signed by 3 medical professionals. So what you are saying in my opinion is totally and utterly bonkers.

 

It is also very non PC and totally tactless, for you to use the term ASD child!! our children are kids first!!! who just so happens to have ASD.

 

Did you actually take on board anything of what we discussed in previous discussions?

 

Link to previous thread for your information Go4it

 

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=726551

[mrseggy 10]

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Following on from this logic then I take it there are no schools in the more affulent areas of the city who have children with additional needs then ? and all children with ASD come from socio deprived areas ?

Well said Mrseggy

 

Oh no JayneRay, i can assure you that schools in affluent area's do indeed have children with ASD lots of them infact!

[go4it 10]

Are you mad?? seriously? do you actually think that nine cases out of 10 could be mis diagnosed? we have discussed this at length before. The diagnosis criteria for ASD is HUGH!!! and if the child does not score high in all three triads of impairments, then they dont get the diagnosis. This has to be agreed and signed by 3 medical professionals. So what you are saying in my opinion is totally and utterly bonkers.

 

You clearly have disrepect for anyone who questions what you say. You show disrespect to the staff involved in the OPs case and sadly this all contributes to the problem. Many people shout and scream their cases and fail to addresss their own problems first. A common problem which has seen special needs provision overloaded in this city.

[go4it 10]

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Following on from this logic then I take it there are no schools in the more affulent areas of the city who have children with additional needs then ? and all children with ASD come from socio deprived areas ?

Well said Mrseggy

 

Again you miss the point.

 

All schools have children with additional needs.

 

Schools in less affluent areas tend to have a higher proportion of children with additional needs.

 

Is there something in the water or is it the parents?

 

Medical professionals are paid to give a medical diagnosis, not provide parenting advice. Lots of terms banded about but none actually explain the cause. ADHD is a behaviour, not the cause. Autism is the behaviour, not the cause.

 

I applaud groups like yours as there are genuine cases. But you have to admit that not every case you get is genuine and there are environmental reasons why some children are labelled with labels such as autism / adhd etc.

[go4it 10]

This has to be agreed and signed by 3 medical professionals. So what you are saying in my opinion is totally and utterly bonkers.

 

A child has got red spots all over them.

 

He goes to medical professional 1 - you've got red spots. Goes to number 2 - you've got red sports. Goes to number 3 - you've got red spot, I diagnose that as 'red spot syndrome'.

 

What has caused the red spots? Is it an environmental reason - maybe cleanliness at home is not good, maybe a skin irritation from something in the house. Or is it something else?

[fisch 10]

Thank you all for your replies all have been very helpful  . It is good to know there are people out there who do understand!

 

In reply to Halibut I am very up to date on ASD from attending workshops and doing my own research. I have approached the school with suggestions however these have been dismissed as they prefer their own techniques that are not working.

 

My child does not have a statement at present but there has been a specialist team come in that has laid out an action plan for the school – at the time the school said they would try to keep to it to the team. When I approached the school recently they stated they do not have the time or resources to stick to the plan.

 

I have spoken to the SENCO on several occasions but no progress is being made. I have approached the school again to express my grievance and my next step will be to make a formal complaint to the governing bodies.

 

I do understand that staffs is under a lot of pressure for time and resources however I feel I do need to take this further as it is damaging to my child’s self esteem, and there are small steps the school could be taking to make things easier. One of the suggestions was to use visual aids to help my child understand better – this is not costly yet they have not done it.

 

At the end of the day the school is funded heavily by tax payers’ money to provide a public service therefore they should be held accountable if they are doing their jobs inadequately and hopefully they will improve and provide a better service in the future.

 

id get in touch with the special education board at howden house and also back in touch with ryegate because school is letting your son down they have been given an action plan by specialists and have failed to stick with it, it all comes down to money and scince your son has a diagnosis school will be recieving more funding for him to meet his education needs, school may not be listening to you but they will have no choice but to listen to the education department and or ryegate, dont let school fob you off your son has a right to an education and they need to take into account his autism, have you considered changing his school to one where staff are clued up on autism (what area do you live and what year group is your son in as i can highly reccomend nook lane jr school at stannington they have an intergrated resources unit statement is needed to be in the ir but the mainstream school is also very good and teachers are experienced with autism) ask ryegate for help early intervention is always best and getting the right school setting for your son will make a great improvement in his behaviour, good luck

[mrseggy 10]

You clearly have disrepect for anyone who questions what you say. You show disrespect to the staff involved in the OPs case and sadly this all contributes to the problem. Many people shout and scream their cases and fail to addresss their own problems first. A common problem which has seen special needs provision overloaded in this city.

 

Dear oh dear i really do waste my time talking to you don't i? help me out here, why do you feel that this is a case of bad parenting? how many children/people do you actually know that have invisible special needs?

 

I assure you i have respect for anyone, i treat everyone as an even regardless of age, sex, colour, class... ability ect ect.

 

However if you class me being my daughters one and only advocate (cos lets face it no one else is gonna do it if i dont) to ensure that she gets both the education she is entitiled to, and her disability not to be discriminated against as disrespectful!!!!! really?

 

I hope that you never find yourself in my situation with you own child/grandchild, because of course you wouldnt fight for them (and believe me you have to, there is no choice! unless you are lucky enough to through money at a good private specialist school) because that would be disrespectful wouldnt it??? .

[mrseggy 10]

A child has got red spots all over them.

 

He goes to medical professional 1 - you've got red spots. Goes to number 2 - you've got red sports. Goes to number 3 - you've got red spot, I diagnose that as 'red spot syndrome'.

 

What has caused the red spots? Is it an environmental reason - maybe cleanliness at home is not good, maybe a skin irritation from something in the house. Or is it something else?

 

Please tell me you dont actually expect me to respond to this? you appear to be a well educated person, but yet you have an inability to take on board facts, you an inability to offer empathy and you dont seem to communicate very well!! ............tell me how are you with eye contact? and changes to your routine? and have you ever been assessed for ASD ?