Digital Region Question

[OriginB 10]

Oh, and Swampster, thanks for the kind words. You know where we are if you need a hand.

[Swampster 10]

Oh, and Swampster, thanks for the kind words. You know where we are if you need a hand.

 

You're welcome.. credit where it's due!

 

But things haven't really gone wrong yet...lol

 

Overall I'd still say the connection was pretty changeable.. sometimes blazingly fast, others not so. But on the whole it's starting to average toward the higher end.

 

See (and feel free to join it) my speedwave at speedtest.. http://www.speedtest.net/wave/aa9b70010aabeeaf Oh the average is now generally higher than indicated, that's my old BT connection (seen at the bottom) dragging it down.

 

Thinkbroadband's speed tester remains all over the place but more towards the lower end, so no idea what's going on there.

 

Download comparisons..

Ubuntu Linux 11.04 - Last night consitant download speed of 2MB/s (yes the a deliberate capital B)

This morning same download - 300 kb/s

Right now fluctuating between 1.4 & 3 MB/s

Edited August 16, 2011 by Swampster

[OriginB 10]

If you're new on to the network, it may take a little while for it to settle, but if you still get varying speeds after another week or two, drop us a line and we'll get right on it. In the meantime, don't forget that if you refer any friends or family to us, we'll take money off your bills. And maybe send you a chupa chup.

[gribz 10]

Thinkbroadband's speed tester remains all over the place but more towards the lower end, so no idea what's going on there.

 

The thinkbroadband.com speedtest has always been terrible for me since I came over to DR (via Ripwire).

 

I still have issues with the routing that no one wants to acknowledge, my routes go via Global Crossing (gblx) and seem to take the "long" way around with big delays in response time, eg;

|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|                                      WinMTR statistics                                   |
|                       Host              -   %  | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
|                                  DD-WRT -    0 |   21 |   21 |    0 |    0 |    3 |    0 |
|                             46.31.232.1 -    0 |   21 |   21 |   18 |   18 |   20 |   18 |
|               ae0.477.ar3.LBA1.gblx.net -    0 |   21 |   21 |   19 |   22 |   62 |   20 |
|               po3-20G.ar4.LON3.gblx.net -    0 |   21 |   21 |   25 |   87 |  581 |   25 |
|        ge-11-3-6.mpr2.lhr3.uk.above.net -    0 |   21 |   21 |   25 |   28 |   86 |   25 |
|         ge-3-1-0.mpr1.lhr3.uk.above.net -    0 |   21 |   21 |   25 |   25 |   28 |   26 |
|                 above-gw2.thdo.ncuk.net -    0 |   21 |   21 |   26 |   27 |   43 |   26 |
|  gi0-24-10-star1.core-rs2.thdo.ncuk.net -    0 |   21 |   21 |   26 |   28 |   31 |   27 |
|                  www.thinkbroadband.com -    0 |   21 |   21 |   25 |   26 |   30 |   25 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|
  WinMTR v0.92 GPL V2 by Appnor MSP - Fully Managed Hosting & Cloud Provider

 

This delay has been explained before as their routers not giving any priority to ICM packets, however the routes still seem long, another example;

 

|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|                                      WinMTR statistics                                   |
|                       Host              -   %  | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
|                                  DD-WRT -    0 |   10 |   10 |    0 |    0 |    1 |    0 |
|                             46.31.232.1 -    0 |   10 |   10 |   18 |   18 |   19 |   18 |
|               ae0.477.ar3.LBA1.gblx.net -    0 |   10 |   10 |   20 |   29 |  110 |   20 |
|               po6-20G.ar6.LON3.gblx.net -    0 |   10 |   10 |   25 |   45 |  114 |   27 |
|                   ldn-b5-link.telia.net -    0 |   10 |   10 |   25 |   26 |   27 |   25 |
|                  ldn-bb1-link.telia.net -    0 |   10 |   10 |   25 |   30 |   68 |   26 |
|                   ldn-b3-link.telia.net -    0 |   10 |   10 |   25 |   29 |   59 |   25 |
|    siemens-ic-119241-ldn-b2.c.telia.net -    0 |   10 |   10 |   25 |   26 |   27 |   26 |
|                          212.58.238.137 -    0 |   10 |   10 |   25 |   26 |   27 |   25 |
|             te12-1.hsw1.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk -    0 |   10 |   10 |   26 |   26 |   28 |   26 |
|                           212.58.255.12 -    0 |   10 |   10 |   26 |   26 |   28 |   26 |
|              bbc-vip004.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk -    0 |   10 |   10 |   26 |   26 |   29 |   27 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|
  WinMTR v0.92 GPL V2 by Appnor MSP - Fully Managed Hosting & Cloud Provider

 

Sorry to hijack your thread Swampster, just thought I would give some more info on why some things may seem slower. Maybe Origin are more willing to investigate this further?

[Swampster 10]

My routing appears to be totally different..

 

Tracing route to www.thinkbroadband.com [80.249.99.130]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

 

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms local

2 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms no-dns-yet.user.drbsy.co.uk

3 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms 94.199.24.50

4 21 ms 21 ms 22 ms 93.94.72.45 <<-- If I've had problems it appears here

5 21 ms 22 ms 22 ms 93.94.72.29 <<-- And here

6 27 ms 27 ms 28 ms 212.38.84.22

7 29 ms 28 ms 28 ms linx-gw1.rbsov.ncuk.net [195.66.224.240]

8 29 ms 28 ms 31 ms gi0-24-10-star1.core-rs2.thdo.ncuk.net [80.249.97.9]

9 29 ms 28 ms 29 ms www.thinkbroadband.com [80.249.99.130]

 

Trace complete

 

For example:

Tracing route to www.thinkbroadband.com [80.249.99.130]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

 

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms local

2 19 ms 20 ms 19 ms no-dns-yet.user.drbsy.co.uk

3 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms 94.199.24.50

4 468 ms 22 ms 22 ms 93.94.72.45

5 398 ms 21 ms 22 ms 93.94.72.29

6 28 ms 27 ms 26 ms 212.38.84.22

7 28 ms 28 ms 28 ms linx-gw1.rbsov.ncuk.net [195.66.224.240]

8 32 ms 29 ms 29 ms gi0-24-10-star1.core-rs2.thdo.ncuk.net [80.249.97.9]

9 30 ms 29 ms 30 ms www.thinkbroadband.com [80.249.99.130]

 

Trace complete.

 

Those IP addresses belonging to W2 Networks Ltd, which is an arm of a company called Wired Networks, who happen to operate South Yorkshire Data Centres it seems.

[gribz 10]

Thats interesting. Appears to me that each company supplying DR can go via a different route, depending on who they peer with.

 

To me, there's still seems to be some kind of problem whichever way it goes. However, i'm no network admin so what I perceive to be a problem could be perfectly normal.

[Swampster 10]

I did a few more tests this morning.. and things appeared to be improving with TBB's speedtest..

 

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results/id/13136436885296124311.html

 

Which is much more indicative of where it should be, however I've had a bit of a slowdown since..

 

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results/id/131367510614561228432.html

[fnkysknky 10]

My routing appears to be totally different..

 

Tracing route to www.thinkbroadband.com [80.249.99.130]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

 

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms local

2 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms no-dns-yet.user.drbsy.co.uk

3 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms 94.199.24.50

4 21 ms 21 ms 22 ms 93.94.72.45 <<-- If I've had problems it appears here

5 21 ms 22 ms 22 ms 93.94.72.29 <<-- And here

6 27 ms 27 ms 28 ms 212.38.84.22

7 29 ms 28 ms 28 ms linx-gw1.rbsov.ncuk.net [195.66.224.240]

8 29 ms 28 ms 31 ms gi0-24-10-star1.core-rs2.thdo.ncuk.net [80.249.97.9]

9 29 ms 28 ms 29 ms www.thinkbroadband.com [80.249.99.130]

 

Trace complete

 

For example:

Tracing route to www.thinkbroadband.com [80.249.99.130]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

 

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms local

2 19 ms 20 ms 19 ms no-dns-yet.user.drbsy.co.uk

3 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms 94.199.24.50

4 468 ms 22 ms 22 ms 93.94.72.45

5 398 ms 21 ms 22 ms 93.94.72.29

6 28 ms 27 ms 26 ms 212.38.84.22

7 28 ms 28 ms 28 ms linx-gw1.rbsov.ncuk.net [195.66.224.240]

8 32 ms 29 ms 29 ms gi0-24-10-star1.core-rs2.thdo.ncuk.net [80.249.97.9]

9 30 ms 29 ms 30 ms www.thinkbroadband.com [80.249.99.130]

 

Trace complete.

 

Those IP addresses belonging to W2 Networks Ltd, which is an arm of a company called Wired Networks, who happen to operate South Yorkshire Data Centres it seems.

 

W2 are no more, they went in to admin a couple of years ago and ASK4 (us) acquired them. SYDC was opened by some of the people previously involved with W2 as far as I know but SYDC has nothing to do with W2/ASK4. As far as I'm aware SYDC has since been acquired by Onyx.

 

DRBSY are based at SYDC so those 93.x IPs look like they're taking transit from the data centre.

[fnkysknky 10]

Thats interesting. Appears to me that each company supplying DR can go via a different route, depending on who they peer with.

 

To me, there's still seems to be some kind of problem whichever way it goes. However, i'm no network admin so what I perceive to be a problem could be perfectly normal.

 

ISPs just have layer 2 connectivity to DR, each ISP will have its own transit and peering in place so traceroutes will likely look very different from each of them. Those mtr results look fine, GBLX just have busy routers that's all, your last hop traffic is the important part and that's very stable.

 

As DRBSY and RiPWiRE are quite small they'll push most of their traffic over transit and not have much (if any) peering in place so some routes will be longer than you'll get with a larger ISP that has built up some reasonable peering arrangements.

Edited August 19, 2011 by fnkysknky

[Swampster 10]

W2 are no more, they went in to admin a couple of years ago and ASK4 (us) acquired them. SYDC was opened by some of the people previously involved with W2 as far as I know but SYDC has nothing to do with W2/ASK4. As far as I'm aware SYDC has since been acquired by Onyx.

 

DRBSY are based at SYDC so those 93.x IPs look like they're taking transit from the data centre.

 

Ah thanks for the info... I was just going from what could gather here: http://w2networking.net/

[fnkysknky 10]

Ah thanks for the info... I was just going from what could gather here: http://w2networking.net/

 

Oops that's an old site, I'll get rid!

[AlexAtkin 10]

Hmmm, Origin claim an uncapped downstream speed on their top tier package but I had previously been told by one of the other ISPs (can't remember which now) that Thales were capping all connections at 40Mbit.

 

Is it likely Origin can actually request this cap not be put in place, or is this claim of uncapped speed based on old information?

 

I was previously sold on joining Ask4 but discovering this thread mentioning Origin as another option and the potential for an even faster connection, its really thrown a spanner in the works. Good job I still have until mid-September to figure out what to do.

 

If I suddenly get told my box has gone live (seems likely any time as there have been Thales engineers at it with laptops a few times now), I'm really not sure what I will do.

Edited August 19, 2011 by AlexAtkin