Cameron's immigration speech

[evildrneil 14]

I have an IQ above 60 and know that Eastbank's comment holds a lot of truth, unless you can prove different?

 

Seeing as the eastern europeans come from the A8 countries who cannot claim any benefits until they have worked in the country for 12 months (at least until the 30th of this month) it pretty much shows that Eastbank's comments hold no truth...

[BasilRathbon 10]

That fence could do with some Creosote.

[LordChaverly 10]

Seeing as the eastern europeans come from the A8 countries who cannot claim any benefits until they have worked in the country for 12 months (at least until the 30th of this month) it pretty much shows that Eastbank's comments hold no truth...

 

And we know what is likely to happen then, courtesy of yet another monumental folly in migration policy perpetrated by the previous Labour government. Migrants from the A8 countries have generally been regarded as primarily worker migrants rather than welfare migrants for the reason mentioned above. However, from the 1st May, due to the Labour government's failure to even attempt to negotiate any kind of opt out from the EU policy of free movement, they will be able to claim benefits and therefore will have less incentive to seek work and even less incentive to go home. Moreover, it is not true that East European migration has had no impact on our welfare system. There are reckoned to be at least 80,000 children from these countries currently living in the UK, not counting the 35,000 or so whose parents are receiving UK child benefit in their home countries.

 

In any case, migration from the A8 countries constitutes only a small proportion of total migration and so we should the addressing non-EU migration as a primary concern.

[Kaimani 10]

And we know what is likely to happen then, courtesy of yet another monumental folly in migration policy perpetrated by the previous Labour government. Migrants from the A8 countries have generally been regarded as primarily worker migrants rather than welfare migrants for the reason mentioned above. However, from the 1st May, due to the Labour government's failure to even attempt to negotiate any kind of opt out from the EU policy of free movement, they will be able to claim benefits and therefore will have less incentive to seek work and even less incentive to go home. Moreover, it is not true that East European migration has had no impact on our welfare system. There are reckoned to be at least 80,000 children from these countries currently living in the UK, not counting the 35,000 or so whose parents are receiving UK child benefit in their home countries.

 

In any case, migration from the A8 countries constitutes only a small proportion of total migration and so we should the addressing non-EU migration as a primary concern.

 

more are leaving than are coming in.

[Wildcat 10]

1. England, where the vast majority of migrants end up. is one of the most densely populated countries in the world. We are without doubt overpopulated, and facetious drivel about 'building more houses' to accommodate the new migrants will not solve this problem, any more than the equally factious argument about 'building new roads' will solve the problem of congestion.

 

There is no problem. Belgium, Japan, Holland, India, Bangladesh, China amongst others all have higher population densities than the UK. We don't have a problem. We aren't short of water, we aren't suffering in any way because of our population.

 

You should provide a reason why there is a problem with over population before talking about facetious drivel.

 

2. As for unemployment. you ignore the fact that migrants are demand creating as well as supply filling, so it is ludicrous to argue that they are necessary to fill in employment gaps. Migration for this purpose enters the realm of the economics of the madhouse.

 

Demand generates work and employment. Maybe you should take the economics of the madhouse up with Boris Johnson, CIPD and the London businesses that say they are suffering under present restrictions and are having to offshore work that people here could do because they can't fill vacancies with the skilled workers they need. With respect, I expect they know better what they are talking about than you do.

 

3. Regarding the NHS, you ignore the fact that migrants tend to be of child bearing age and therefore do put disproportionate demands on the NHS, as well as on our education system and other welfare services. Moreover, they will in due course become old themselves, so again will put pressure on the NHS.

 

I wonder if you actually believe the farrago of tired, old and demonstrably false cliches about the benign effects of mass immigration, or whether you are having us all on.

 

Whilst they are working they are contributing taxes and paying for the services they use. Numerous studies have shown migrants even including non-economic migrants have been a net benefit to the economy. The only tired old cliches are tabloid nonsense and migrationwatch misrepresentations now disgracefully being peddled by the Prime Minister.

 

It strikes me as bizarre that the right wingers on here are quick to argue that the market should be left to determine the value of work when we know full well it does a very bad job of it, yet at the same time deny the fundamental Capitalist principles of the needs to maximise freedom of movement of Capital and Labour to maximise surplus value and instead argue for the anti-capitalist protectionism that limits economic productivity without good reason.

 

There may well be a case for limiting immigration where we are talking about unskilled work.... but that is not what the Tories are doing. They are halving the numbers of skilled people that can come here, shooting the country economically in the foot, on top of all the rest of the damage they are doing with no plans beyond wishful thinking big society getting people to volunteer to do paid work nonsense for creating the sort of growth that would pay off our debts without the austerity.

Edited April 15, 2011 by Wildcat

[Conrod 10]

You might want to refer to post 92, this time get you mom to help you read through before replying.

 

BTW should all questions end with a question mark?

Your post 92 didn't answer the question, it attempted to deflect it.

 

I am baffled by your need to be offensive, but each to their own I suppose.

[eastbank 10]

We would have to have considerably higher population than now to be overpopulated.

 

How much unemployment.... it depends on the type of unemployment, the type of jobs and what the economy needs. There is no simple answer, the question is too complex to answer in detailed terms other than after considering statistical economic reports. It is worth noting however as I said earlier there is not a finite number of jobs in an economy. If vacancies in the UK go unfilled because there is no one skilled enough locally to do the work, then businesses have to offshore their work and not just those vacancies they can't fill, but also the support roles, those jobs they can fill. Caps on immigration damage the economy and reduce jobs for all. Businesses in London are already saying they are being damaged by the existing immigration caps and are having to shift work abroad.

 

If housing prices and rental costs are too high then perhaps we need to look at building some more (get those polish builders back?)? or look to do what we can to boost the economy and wages such that they aren't unaffordable.

 

The relationship between NHS waiting lists and immigration is odd one to make since there are so many employed in the NHS and immigrants are net contributors to the economy since they are usually of working age they pay taxes and don't use those facilities as much. If you want to reduce waiting lists then stopping immigration will have the opposite effect.

 

i would split those polish brickies into two groups....one would come here and build cheap affordable housing...so dave and nick could sell them off just like maggie...and we too could live rent free just like my elderly neighbours

secondly the rest could re-build the berlin wall and keep those work shy romanians out of this country...they seem to be the only ones who cannot find work...unlike the poles and the lads who operate the car washes think they are from the former yugoslavia....

[super8 10]

over 90% liked the speech:hihi:

[Mecky 10]

over 90% liked the speech:hihi:

 

Maths is not your strong point is it and besides, what about those people who haven't voted? There are quite a few Enochs on this website and he was a tory bullyboy too wasn't he? Bit of a patern forming isn't there?

[Conrod 10]

Maths is not your strong point is it and besides, what about those people who haven't voted? There are quite a few Enochs on this website and he was a tory bullyboy too wasn't he? Bit of a patern forming isn't there?

No, Enoch Powell was a visionary who cared deeply for his country and served it with great diginity for his entire life.

[Wildcat 10]

No, Enoch Powell was a visionary who cared deeply for his country and served it with great diginity for his entire life.

 

Maybe that is why he encouraged immigrants to come to the Uk, when he was health secretary?

[L00b 441]

and besides, what about those people who haven't voted?

You mean, all these EU and non-EU migrants working in the UK, contributing to the economy, paying their taxes and whatnot? Whom Cameron was on about and whom people in this thread are arguing about ad nauseam?