£35m Carrol + Suarez For The Price Of Torres?

[LFCMadPaul 10]

Yes please Sir, thanks for that

 

And before the 'Carrol's not worth £35m' chants come rolling in... Maybe not, but he's younger, hungrier, massive potential and has scored more goals and contributed so much more in the few games he's labored through since coming back from injury, than Torres has done in each pathetic performance that he has churned out since joining Chelsea. Suarez..... Say no more squire. In todays market, £23m was a snip. The man's a bloody genius

 

Think it's fair to say Liverpool got the cream in this deal whereas Chelsea, their still pulling their pants up

[HeadingNorth 11]

This from the chap who spent two years telling everyone that Torres was the best striker in the world?

 

Were you wrong then, or are you wrong now?

[LFCMadPaul 10]

This from the chap who spent two years telling everyone that Torres was the best striker in the world?

 

Were you wrong then, or are you wrong now?

In his first two seasons at Liverpool, was there a better striker in the world? Possibly not, which deems me correct with what I said at the time. Then Torres had a few injuries and something happened, I don't know what but it did. He was poor in his final 6 - 12 months at Liverpool but nobody could have predicted just how terrible a player Torres would become for Chelsea! Not only can he now not even control a football, beat a man or pass a football, but his arrival has also caused rifts within the Chelsea camp, almost certainly sanctioned the transfer of Drogba away from The Bridge and also put the man in charge under massive scrutiny every times he selects the £50m pound man?

 

Am I more or less accurate with what I'm saying? I believe I was right at the time on both occasions but I have to admit, when making the first statement when Torres smashed himself onto the scene at Liverpool, I could never have predicted the scale of the demise that would take place and that Liverpool would even somehow gain £50m (or Carrol and Suarez) upon his transfer to Chelsea! Happy days mate. Not sure this can even be contested?

[plekhanov 10]

In his first two seasons at Liverpool, was there a better striker in the world? Possibly not, which deems me correct with what I said at the time. Then Torres had a few injuries and something happened, I don't know what but it did. He was poor in his final 6 - 12 months at Liverpool but nobody could have predicted just how terrible a player Torres would become for Chelsea! Not only can he now not even control a football, beat a man or pass a football, but his arrival has also caused rifts within the Chelsea camp, almost certainly sanctioned the transfer of Drogba away from The Bridge and also put the man in charge under massive scrutiny every times he selects the £50m pound man?

 

Am I more or less accurate with what I'm saying? I believe I was right at the time on both occasions but I have to admit, when making the first statement when Torres smashed himself onto the scene at Liverpool, I could never have predicted the scale of the demise that would take place and that Liverpool would even somehow gain £50m (or Carrol and Suarez) upon his transfer to Chelsea! Happy days mate. Not sure this can even be contested?

It's nice to see that you've adjusted to Liverpool's position as a mid table club where 'happy days' aren't when you win or even challenge for trophies but simply when you think you think you've did well in a transfer deal.

 

Incidentally Rooney was playing pretty wretchedly earlier in the season yet last night he was superb, there's no reason to think Torres won't have a similar change in form especially if Chelsea start playing to his strengths. Don't forget 'form is temporary class is permanent'.

[LFCMadPaul 10]

It's nice to see that you've adjusted to Liverpool's position as a mid table club where 'happy days' aren't when you win or even challenge for trophies but simply when you think you think you've did well in a transfer deal.

 

Incidentally Rooney was playing pretty wretchedly earlier in the season yet last night he was superb, there's no reason to think Torres won't have a similar change in form especially if Chelsea start playing to his strengths. Don't forget 'form is temporary class is permanent'.

I think it's fair to say I'm much happier now that Kenny is in charge rather than Roy who, let's be honest, had us threatened with a relegation scrap. No doubt excuses for Roy will be made on here but the facts remain that only Manchester Utd have gained more points than Liverpool since the day Roy got the bullet. It's also nice to see (barring one or two performances) the brand of football which is now being played, 200% better than the dross Roy had planned week in week out. Like you say, I along with many have had to adjust on how we view this season but I'll tell you this, the future looks a lot brighter now than it did not so long ago Pleck! In fact instead of a relegation battle (which is what we were heading for under Roy) we could now possibly snatch 5th from Spurs! Looking at their run in compared to ours, it's not unachievable really is it? Agreed, 5th isn't acceptable for Liverpool, but it is if you consider the first half of the season and where we were under Roy?

 

Oh and yeah, spanking Chelsea away, Man City and Utd with relative ease does make for happy days when you've had to sit through 6 months of eye-bleeding football that Roy sent them out playing! Suarez n Carrol though? Pheewww I mean Carrol is good, but Suarez? Suarez is god mate!

[plekhanov 10]

I think it's fair to say I'm much happier now that Kenny is in charge rather than Roy who, let's be honest, had us threatened with a relegation scrap. No doubt excuses for Roy will be made on here but the facts remain that only Manchester Utd have gained more points than Liverpool since the day Roy got the bullet. It's also nice to see (barring one or two performances) the brand of football which is now being played, 200% better than the dross Roy had planned week in week out. Like you say, I along with many have had to adjust on how we view this season but I'll tell you this, the future looks a lot brighter now than it did not so long ago Pleck! In fact instead of a relegation battle (which is what we were heading for under Roy) we could now possibly snatch 5th from Spurs! Looking at their run in compared to ours, it's not unachievable really is it? Agreed, 5th isn't acceptable for Liverpool, but it is if you consider the first half of the season and where we were under Roy?

 

Oh and yeah, spanking Chelsea away, Man City and Utd with relative ease does make for happy days when you've had to sit through 6 months of eye-bleeding football that Roy sent them out playing! Suarez n Carrol though? Pheewww I mean Carrol is good, but Suarez? Suarez is god mate!

Would this be the same Roy who saved WBA from a real relegation battle as opposed to an imaginary one made up to make your current mid table mediocrity seem more palatable whilst United have every chance of going on to win No 19?

 

The same Roy who's WBA completely outplayed Liverpool a few weeks back?

 

I must say you're really getting the hang of things as a fan of a small time midtable club, somehow convincing yourself that not getting relegated is a triumph worth celebrating, glorying in your occasional 'cup finals' against the big teams you're jealous of and ignoring the losses to the other mid-table sides, glorying in your recently sold star playing being in a patch of poor form... you've really got the small time thing down.

[LFCMadPaul 10]

Would this be the same Roy who saved WBA from a real relegation battle as opposed to an imaginary one made up to make your current mid table mediocrity seem more palatable whilst United have every chance of going on to win No 19?

 

The same Roy who's WBA completely outplayed Liverpool a few weeks back?

 

I must say you're really getting the hang of things as a fan of a small time midtable club, somehow convincing yourself that not getting relegated is a triumph worth celebrating, glorying in your occasional 'cup finals' against the big teams you're jealous of and ignoring the losses to the other mid-table sides, glorying in your recently sold star playing being in a patch of poor form... you've really got the small time thing down.

 

Hahahaha Not even wasting my time Pleck lad. If you seriously can't see the difference/improvement since Roy left and Kenny arriving then what's the point? Carrol n Suarez over Torres everyday of the week for me mi old fruit!!!

[Rushup 10]

Back on topic, Liverpool did a great piece of business in my opinion. Torres doesn't look anything like the player he was two years ago, he seems to have lost some of his pace, clearly doesn't fit the system at Chelsea and is clearly low on confidence.

 

Just 9 goals in all competitions across 45 appearances for Liverpool and Chelsea, Only 4 goals in 15 games for Spain since the start of the 2009 season, 2 of those were in a friendly and not a single goal for a World Cup winning side... it defies all logic to shell out £50m for a striker in that sort of form.

 

Although Torres is on course to be the most expensive flop since Schevchenko, and I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't find the net for Chelsea at all this season, once Chelsea sort out how they're actually going to play him I think he'll start finding the net again.

[MAC33 10]

Carroll has the hardest shot i have ever seen.

 

Suarez is a player that likes to take players on,so is good to watch and dangerous.

 

as for Torres, i feel really sorry for him,he just can't quite finish when he gets the opportunity.

 

i think Torres is alot like Michael Owen.

 

his entire game revolves around his topspeed,which is clearly diminishing.

 

perhaps a 3 month rest to rejuventate his weary legs!

[daftlad 11]

look at how much man united paid for hernandez and the goals he has got this season and majority from the bench as well. he was about 7 million. old red nose has a good purchase there

[LFCMadPaul 10]

look at how much man united paid for hernandez and the goals he has got this season and majority from the bench as well. he was about 7 million. old red nose has a good purchase there

Isn't the grass a nice color at The Racecourse Ground?

 

Thought if we were just posting random passing comments that are totally off-topic, then I might as well just throw that one in.

[taxman 12]

look at how much man united paid for hernandez and the goals he has got this season and majority from the bench as well. he was about 7 million. old red nose has a good purchase there

 

Hernandez was a gamble, I don't think Fergie thought it would work out so well, he was expecting him to be a bit part player (Gabriel Oberton) who he would groom over the next couple of years. Instead he hit gold-dust.

 

Liverpool did well selling Torres and although Carrol is unproven and a gamble, if you've got 50million in your back pocket you can literally afford to take that gamble.

 

The big losers are Chelski.