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Who/what gave us the capacity to want things?

 

Ourselves. We were given the ability to say no. If we do wrong it is our choice.

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I dont think we're born innocent. I think that again sets us up for divine failure...

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When you or I do wrong it is our choice.

 

And the choices you make are determined by how you were built (DNA) and the environment you were brought up in.

 

If God gives one child loving caring parents and good DNA and they turn out good, he rewards them.

 

If God gives another child crap violent parents and rubbish DNA and they turn out bad he punishes them.

 

So God isn’t a fair God.

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And the choices you make are determined by how you were built (DNA) and the environment you were brought up in.

 

If God gives one child loving caring parents and good DNA and they turn out good, he rewards them.

 

If God gives another child crap violent parents and rubbish DNA and they turn out bad he punishes them.

 

So God isn’t a fair God.

 

God knows this and has provided a solution called forgiveness.

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<snip>.

 

Annnd another deflection attempt.

 

Who/what gave us the capacity to want things?

 

Ourselves.

 

So "god" didn't create humans then?

 

Thanks for being honest, for a change.

 

 

So what gave us the capacity to do evil?

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God knows this and has provided a solution called forgiveness.

 

Ah, the get out doctrine.

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God knows this and has provided a solution called forgiveness.

 

So does God forgive every one then?

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God knows this and has provided a solution called forgiveness.

 

So, god forgives my former neighbours' children for having to be taken into care, in order to protect them from the neglectful, feckless imbeciles they had to call their parents?

 

My schoolfriend is forgiven for being raped by, and having a child to, her paedophile father, is she?

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So does God forgive every one then?

 

Yes it is for everyone, the 'whosoever' which is those who believe on him and repent of their sins.

 

Some people add other conditions but I think repentance is sufficient provided it is genuine.

 

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So, god forgives my former neighbours' children for having to be taken into care, in order to protect them from the neglectful, feckless imbeciles they had to call their parents?

 

My schoolfriend is forgiven for being raped by, and having a child to, her paedophile father, is she?

 

Why do they need forgiveness for the sins of others?

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Yes it is for everyone, the 'whosoever' which is those who believe on him and repent of their sins.

 

Some people add other conditions but I think repentance is sufficient provided it is genuine.

 

But the child with crap violent parents and rubbish DNA that turned out bad has never been told about God, knows nothing of God or about asking for forgiveness, again not this persons fault but the fault of their environment and upbringing.

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But the child with crap violent parents and rubbish DNA that turned out bad has never been told about God, knows nothing of God or about asking for forgiveness, again not this persons fault but the fault of their averment and upbringing.

 

True, but it is their choice what they do.

 

By the way I have some experience of this at work and I admit environment is a strong influence, but it is their surrounding that are to blame not God.

 

If you want to bring God into it just let me say there are hardened criminals who have had wonderful conversions and are changed people.

 

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