Karis   11 #601 Posted April 24, 2011  In this case, however, I'd link to Jesus Is Satan  Ooh now you're just being controversial!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
andikay   10 #602 Posted April 24, 2011 You said yourself that a baby is born innocent. We learn to be wicked and disobedient, it never was created, except we create it ourselves. I haven’t said children are born innocent, humans are in part a product of their genetic makeup and environment, some people are more prone to anger and violence than others. A child doesn’t choose its parents, its surrounding or its education, so if they end up bad it isn’t always their choice.  A child born to a violent couple, surrounded by daily violence, living in a poor area and getting little or no education is more likely to be violent than a child born into a loving caring relationship and a peaceful environment. Back to your problem, if god created something beautiful that was broken by something else that was beautiful and God is all knowing. God must have known that the beautiful object would be broken so is therefore still responsible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Gormenghast   59 #603 Posted April 24, 2011 You said yourself that a baby is born innocent. We learn to be wicked and disobedient, it never was created, except we create it ourselves.  So come on then, what wickedness have you created in yourself?  You can tell us.  We won't tell anyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Gormenghast   59 #604 Posted April 24, 2011 Sorry, I forgot. It's church time isn't it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Grahame   10 #605 Posted April 24, 2011 I haven’t said children are born innocent, humans are in part a product of their genetic makeup and environment, some people are more prone to anger and violence than others. A child doesn’t choose its parents, its surrounding or its education, so if they end up bad it isn’t always their choice. A child born to a violent couple, surrounded by daily violence, living in a poor area and getting little or no education is more likely to be violent than a child born into a loving caring relationship and a peaceful environment. Back to your problem, if god created something beautiful that was broken by something else that was beautiful and God is all knowing. God must have known that the beautiful object would be broken so is therefore still responsible.  A baby is born innocent. If you have seen a baby lie, steal, commit murder and rape please let me know.  Then the innocent baby turns to its own ways. It wasn't created evil, it was his choice for whatever reason.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
sccsux   10 #606 Posted April 24, 2011 A baby is born innocent. If you have seen a baby lie, steal, commit murder and rape please let me know.  Then the innocent baby turns to its own ways. It wasn't created evil, it was his choice for whatever reason.  Again, who/what gave us the capacity to do/teach evil? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
andikay   10 #607 Posted April 24, 2011 A baby is born innocent. If you have seen a baby lie, steal, commit murder and rape please let me know.  Then the innocent baby turns to its own ways. It wasn't created evil, it was his choice for whatever reason.  No it doesn't choose, choices are made on its behalf by its parents.  This is the part of my post your obviously didn't read.   I haven’t said children are born innocent, humans are in part a product of their genetic makeup and environment, some people are more prone to anger and violence than others. A child doesn’t choose its parents, its surrounding or its education, so if they end up bad it isn’t always their choice. A child born to a violent couple, surrounded by daily violence, living in a poor area and getting little or no education is more likely to be violent than a child born into a loving caring relationship and a peaceful environment. Back to your problem, if god created something beautiful that was broken by something else that was beautiful and God is all knowing. God must have known that the beautiful object would be broken so is therefore still responsible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Grahame   10 #608 Posted April 24, 2011 No it doesn't choose, choices are made on its behalf by its parents. This is the part of my post your obviously didn't read.  When you or I do wrong it is our choice.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Karis   11 #609 Posted April 24, 2011 When you or I do wrong it is our choice.  Hang on, what happened to Satan? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Grahame   10 #610 Posted April 24, 2011 Again, who/what gave us the capacity to do/teach evil?  We see a bag of sweets and we want it. Did someone teach you that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
sccsux   10 #611 Posted April 24, 2011 When you or I do wrong it is our choice.  The conversation is about a child, you're speaking from an adult perspective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
sccsux   10 #612 Posted April 24, 2011 We see a bag of sweets and we want it. Did someone teach you that?  Who said anything about being taught?  I asked who/what gave us the capacity to do evil, nothing about teaching.  Your non-answer/diversion attempt tells me more than I need to know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...