Benefit Changes a big mistake

[Weazel2006 25]

This won't happen, or won't be as bad as it first seems....the only people that have anything to worry about are the one's determined to never work.

 

It will be the taxes and reductions that bring the riots, come march things will start to turn ugly.

 

Time to invest in business, create jobs and stop whining! actually you know what there was a silence today in rememberance...you think those guys got to sit on their arse?.....no they went into the unknown, saw the harsh realities of war and some lucky ones managed to get back, and people are whining about forcing people into a job.....wow guess we didnt learn much from that war then.

[CorkerSWFC 10]

This won't happen, or won't be as bad as it first seems....the only people that have anything to worry about are the one's determined to never work.

 

It will be the taxes and reductions that bring the riots, come march things will start to turn ugly.

 

Time to invest in business, create jobs and stop whining! actually you know what there was a silence today in rememberance...you think those guys got to sit on their arse?.....no they went into the unknown, saw the harsh realities of war and some lucky ones managed to get back, and people are whining about forcing people into a job.....wow guess we didnt learn much from that war then.

It isn't whining it's talking about the predicaments of there ruling, it's a great subject to discuss.

Especially as it looks as though the government will realise how much crap they have put themselves in, in a few months time.

People can ignore the realism all they like.

[nerd 10]

I appreciate that there are clearly some issues regarding the new system, however, it is so wrong, on every level, that someone should be 'better off' claiming benefits over working. I welcome anyone on benefits to (attempt) to reasonably argue their right to get more benefits than a typical working person/family.

 

Ok, so not talking about myself, but I can see instances where a person who was severely disabled may need to claim more in benefits than the average typical wage.

People who have long term disabilites often have to pay for their own care needs to be met. The level of support offered by the state is surprisingly low, and there are very few residential centres for people with long term problems - and mostly even these have to be paid for by the individual.

The "Care" element of DLA is paid for that reason - to pay for the care that individual requires, for example for someone to come in to their home several times a day and help them dress, prepare food, read their mail, help them wash or clean their house etc - any number of tasks that the able bodied can easily do for themselves.

The "mobility" element of DLA is to pay for the associated mobility costs eg wheelchairs or buggies, a guide or assistant to accompany them out of the house, someone to drive them or escort them, taxi fares to medically related appointments etc.

If they are not able to work and are claiming them they will also be able to claim income support and housing anf council tax benefit, depending on their circustances.

DLA is tiered, meaning that those who get the higher rates of care and mobility are the ones that need it. If someone is claiming carers allowance for looking after them, the amount of DLA is reduced.

I think, under those conditions, if the overall amount the claimant recieves is over the average weekly wage then it is not an issue to me. I cannot think of anyone who would rather have the disability and a few quid than have their health and be able to do the normal things taken for granted, like go to the toilet unaided, get dressed, be without pain, be able to see or hear, be able to walk etc and live on a normal wage.

[CorkerSWFC 10]

Being a carer is more than a full time job, its like being on call 24 hours a day.

At least people working 40 hours a week get a break.

[steiner 10]

If you can work you should work,the days of scrounging are coming to a end.

[CorkerSWFC 10]

If you can work you should work,the days of scrounging are coming to a end.

 

This is the thing how can you differenciate between scroungers and genuine people.

What about people with dyslexia, you can't go on the sick for that, how are you supposed to get a job when you suffer from that ?

[barny_100 10]

This is the thing how can you differenciate between scroungers and genuine people.

What about people with dyslexia, you can't go on the sick for that, how are you supposed to get a job when you suffer from that ?

 

Are you on the wind up?

 

Isn't it obvious many jobs don't require advanced reading skills? Plus we keep hearing how various people succeed despite their disabilities so I wonder why some seem to use them as an excuse instead?

[Ms Macbeth 73]

Are you on the wind up?

 

Isn't it obvious many jobs don't require advanced reading skills? Plus we keep hearing how various people succeed despite their disabilities so I wonder why some seem to use them as an excuse instead?

 

It depends on the disability or condition, and on how it affects the individual and the jobs that are available to them. I've worked with many physically disabled people, and others with chronic physical health conditions. I've not come across many with serious mental health issues in permanent employment. Being in a wheelchair doesn't stop someone from using a computer, but a debilitating, chronic physical or mental condition, could mean a person could only use the computer for an hour or two a day and only on days they are fit and well. Not much use to most employers!

 

There is a huge lack of understanding and acceptance of many health problems, not only by employers, but by the general public. If someone has crutches, or a guide dog - their disability is accepted, but if someone looks 'normal' then they are expected to be 'normal'.

 

I have no disability, or chronic condition. I've worked most of my life in to my sixties, and have no personal axe to grind. I just get fed up with the lack of compassion for those who often need it most.

[Cyclone 10]

Not if you ban them from conducting business in this country if they relocate.

 

You can then watch the international businesses that they work for relocate as well.

 

What next, ban people from not having a job, ban companies from closing as the worst recession ever starts, ban the country going completely down the pan.

 

Punitive taxes do not work (demonstratively) and 'banning' things doesn't work either.

[Cyclone 10]

77% would not be that bad of a tax for them.

 

80, 83 and 98.5% income taxes existed quite recently for the highest paid.

 

Unless we have these higher taxes for the higher earners, we will never tackle inequality. Progressive taxation is needed, 61% for current graduates and 51% for the elders on high incomes is just too low.

 

The higher classes whom tax themselves relatively little whilst increasing the burden of the poor are the totalitarians.

 

Maybe your maths is poor, but 50% is already progressive, it's significantly higher than 21% which is lower than the middle 40% bracket.

 

Raising the level of taxation does not raise the level of tax revenue when you target a minority of high earners that you personally are jealous of.

[barny_100 10]

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I have no disability, or chronic condition. I've worked most of my life in to my sixties, and have no personal axe to grind. I just get fed up with the lack of compassion for those who often need it most.

 

I understand what you are saying but my response was very specific in that there's no way dyslexia meets the criteria as the poster I quoted claimed.

[chem1st 10]

Maybe your maths is poor, but 50% is already progressive, it's significantly higher than 21% which is lower than the middle 40% bracket.

 

Raising the level of taxation does not raise the level of tax revenue when you target a minority of high earners that you personally are jealous of.

 

It's crap compared to what we've had in years gone by.

 

And it is 51% when you take into account NI, whilst the basic rate will be 32% with NI come January.

 

And it is not jealousy it is the issue of fairness.

 

The poor pay a whole host of flat taxes, such as council tax, tv license, car insurance etc. VAT on essential items for living.

 

Besides the rich avoid paying income tax, and pay CGT instead etc. etc.