Cyclists - don't tar us all with the same brush!

[Cycleracer 10]

I'll stop generalising when I stop seeing cyclist undertake.

 

So where do you expect them to ride past you, on your inside.

You would complain like hell if a cyclist was cycling on the right side close to the white line for slowing you up and you complain when there near the curb, if you slow up due to traffic then the cyclist will pass you on your left, thats what happens, get used to it

[Bargepole23 337]

So where do you expect them to ride past you, on your inside.

You would complain like hell if a cyclist was cycling on the right side close to the white line for slowing you up and you complain when there near the curb, if you slow up due to traffic then the cyclist will pass you on your left, thats what happens, get used to it

 

Might be worth checking when the post from captain scarlet was posted....he might have stopped generalising by now....he might even have bought a bike.....

[samssong 10]

Cycling is forbidden in all Sheffield parks by virtue of a byelaw, updated in 1966 and 1971 to ban jetex style model planes (remember them?) but actually based on a much older byelaw.

 

 

Found this on the council web site

 

https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/out--about/parks-woodlands--countryside/all-about-us/byelaws.html

 

I’m told its simply too much hassle and expense to remove the byelaw to allow legal cycling, although I seem to remember the ConDem collation were trying to make this process easier. The council now turn a blind eye to safe cycling in parks.

 

The route through Bingham park is different as it was created with a TRO (traffic regulation order) and is part of the Peak District anniversary route, supposedly a gold standard route (really?) from Sheffield Station to Hope Valley.

 

A TRO was to be issued for the Meersbrook park route back when the council was Lib Dem (I think) but I it never happened.

In the 1960's I along with a couple of hundred more used to enter cycle road racing events in Norfolk Park so the bylaw was not enforced at that time.

[tuthill 10]

Just taken a look at Sheffield city council website (cycle map for south west section)

 

https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/dms/scc/management/corporate-communications/documents/transport/walking-cycling/cycling/Sheffield-Cycle-Map---South-West/Sheffield%20Cycle%20Map%20-%20South%20West.pdf

 

A cycle route is marked between Warminster rd + Meersbrook park rd..... Going Directly through the park..........Bob

[MLAR 10]

 

The main path through Endcliffe Park is not marked - I actually thought that there used to be specific "No cycling" signs as you enter Endcliffe Park, but I don't think they are there now.

 

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The "No Cycling" signs are indeed still there.

 

There are also signs near the Cafe asking cycists to dismount.

 

So that should clear up any confusion:)

[andyofborg 11]

Ooooh goody, are we allowed to tar cyclists now?

 

yes then we can feather them

[hicksy3 10]

Just taken a look at Sheffield city council website (cycle map for south west section)

 

https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/dms/scc...uth%20West.pdf

 

A cycle route is marked between Warminster rd + Meersbrook park rd..... Going Directly through the park..........Bob

 

I tried to ride up this on Monday evening. The marked path runs east of the wooded area. It's so steep my front wheel was threatening to tip over the saddle with me on it! I still haven't had any responses from SCC. When I do I will go about finding out how to get sections of preferred cycle route changed, if they're unsuitable. As this bit clearly is. I would much prefer to use the park, if I'm allowed, just not this particular path.

 

 

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[WalkleyIan 10]

A cyclist on the cyclesheffield forum says she was accosted by a number of members of the bowling club for cycling in the park after one nearly ran her down whist driving to the club.

 

The council are less than helpful in this most recent document from 2014

 

https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/out--about/parks-woodlands--countryside/parks/city-district-local-parks/meersbrook-park.html

 

The park management plan contains statements that imply cycling is allowed however.

 

A4.3 Byelaws

 

It is widely recognised that some of the existing byelaws are now irrelevant in today's society and consequently, some byelaws are no longer enforced as they do not pose any problems or issues.

However, overhauling the existing byelaws is a considerable and expensive legal task and until such a time that the relevant byelaws are fully reviewed and amended, the existing powers remain in place, and are enforced as and when appropriate.

 

B2.2b Cyclists within the Park

 

Conflicts between cyclists and pedestrians have been identified as a problem and potential hazard. Cyclists use the park as a cut through to major intercity routes. Due to the topography of the park, cyclists can achieve very high speeds, which causes conflict and safety issues with other park users. Joint working was undertaken between SCC and the local Police Community Support Officers to engage with cyclists, promoting safe cycling within the park, resulting in reduced speeds and pedestrian safety. This was a very successful scheme, which may be repeated in the future should the need arise.

 

I’d be uncomfortable at putting myself in a difficult legal position should I end up in a not my fault collision when the other party could legitimately claim I was breaking a byelaw.

 

It’s all very well the council saying they don’t enforce it. Presumably you could then go back to the council and point to the clearly marked cycle route on their website and let the lawyers fight it out.

 

All this in the city of outdoors.

[hyper 10]

A cyclist on the cyclesheffield forum says she was accosted by a number of members of the bowling club for cycling in the park after one nearly ran her down whist driving to the club.

 

I'm confused ... So driving is allowed in the park is allowed and cycling isn't?

[hicksy3 10]

I've skimmed the Meersbrook Park development plan too. I agree it implies that cycling takes place in Meersbrook Park. Not that it implicitly states that it is permitted. If SCC have enough resource to put together a document of that size, I don't see how they can claim it's too much bother to amend a byelaw.

The path as illustrated on the council cycling map section is totally unfit for purpose, following the steepest path in the park. It's also unsigned, explaining bowling club members taking exception to cycling in the park.

 

 

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[sheffieldS8 10]

Motorist v Car Drivers hahaha this is such a boring topic. However my take is this...

 

Motorist don't like cyclist because they're jealous they're keeping fit and wish they could be bothered to cycle instead of drive, and it sometimes takes a while to take over them, and they're annoyed they can't go through the red light too.

 

Cyclist don't like motorist because they think they're better than them for keeping fit and saving the environment, and as a result expect motorist to worship them and allow them to occasionally flaunt the law in recognition of their achievements

 

Haha

[tuthill 10]

hi Hicksy Perhaps you should plan a route avoiding the park using cyclestreets.net ........... (App is also available)I don't know your route but instead of going through the park why not turn left from brooklyn rd into meersbrook park road.bear left into Argyle rd + straight on to upper albert rd turn right here (cycle lane here permit you (Cyclists) to turn right up the hill turn right at the top on to Lees hall avenue continue on to pick up top of park on right...........Got to be easier than the pull up through the park!..Bob

 

 

 

I tried to ride up this on Monday evening. The marked path runs east of the wooded area. It's so steep my front wheel was threatening to tip over the saddle with me on it! I still haven't had any responses from SCC. When I do I will go about finding out how to get sections of preferred cycle route changed, if they're unsuitable. As this bit clearly is. I would much prefer to use the park, if I'm allowed, just not this particular path.

 

 

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