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Originally posted by slimsid2000

Surley they won't be doing it in the club alongside you - that is an important distinction. Also, to the best of my knowledge masterbation is neither illegal nor unhealthy.

 

The same argument about "otherwise law-abiding people" doing just one illegal thing is made by everyone from drunk drivers to fox hunters. Either you are law abiding or you are not. Like it or not people who take illegal drugs are not. If you want to change a law you should lobby your MP or start your own political party. In fact, wasn't there a legalise cannabis party standing at the last general election? The voters decided not to put them into parliament - that is democracy.

 

On a slightly different note, are there plain clothed police men and women in clubs keeping an eye out for any wrong doing? I'd like to think so but have no idea.

 

given that you admit in the other thread that you have never to your knowledge seen someone taking drugs they clearly don't do it stood next to you either.

Illegality is just something we made up, i'm sure that somewhere in the world it's illegal and someone similar to you is wanting to know which bars to avoid as they will be full of illicit w*nkers.

Whilst some drug taking is certainly unhealthy, I don't think it's really fair to single it out, as it may well be less unhealthy than smoking and drinking. So it's this 'legality' issue that must be getting you all up tight. Whilst it's nice to see that you have a respect for our laws and politicians, you should probably work on developing a healthy cynicism to go along with that.

 

God I hope not, what a complete and utter waste of police time that would be, I pay my taxes and would like to think that they could be doing something useful, catching muggers and burglars, and uninsured drivers for example.

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Originally posted by slimsid2000

Maybe you should explain. If you (not I) argue that people should be allowed to take drugs in the name of 'freedom' then how can you be against allowing those of us that don't wish to mix with drug takers their freedom to socialise in a non-drug environment?

 

 

Sid, don't know what kind of music you like but you'd better put it all in the bin, those musician's that made it, yip, all on drugs...

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Originally posted by slimsid2000

Surley they won't be doing it in the club alongside you - that is an important distinction. Also, to the best of my knowledge masterbation is neither illegal nor unhealthy.

 

The same argument about "otherwise law-abiding people" doing just one illegal thing is made by everyone from drunk drivers to fox hunters. Either you are law abiding or you are not. Like it or not people who take illegal drugs are not. If you want to change a law you should lobby your MP or start your own political party. In fact, wasn't there a legalise cannabis party standing at the last general election? The voters decided not to put them into parliament - that is democracy.

 

On a slightly different note, are there plain clothed police men and women in clubs keeping an eye out for any wrong doing? I'd like to think so but have no idea.

 

so if we made alcohol (or chocalate if your teetotal) illegal you would immediately cease consumption of said substances?

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Originally posted by nightrider

so if we made alcohol (or chocalate if your teetotal) illegal you would immediately cease consumption of said substances?

 

Yes, I'd have to. Presumably it would no longer be on sale (except from very dubious individuals) and would manage to live without it.

 

I very rarley drink alcohol (except the odd liquour chocolate at Christmas and a 'Highland Fling Cocktail' at an annual Burns night dinner) and could manage without it if necessary. As for chocolate I can take it or leave it.

 

These are all the redest of red herrings anyway. Most people in this country do not take illegal drugs and I suspect that quite a few of those that do only started because of peer presure (then became adicted). It is very unfair to equate drug culture with youth culture - many young people don't take drugs and it is wrong to tar us all with the same brush. As for the people who sell them they couldn't care less if you die or not as long as they make some money from you.

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stop now, sid.. you're giving naïve people a bad name..

 

Originally posted by slimsid2000

I very rarley drink alcohol (except the odd liquour chocolate at Christmas..

 

lmao :hihi:

 

These are all the redest of red herrings anyway. Most people in this country do not take illegal drugs and I suspect that quite a few of those that do only started because of peer presure (then became adicted [sic]).

 

you're joking, i assume? surely?

 

It is very unfair to equate drug culture with youth culture - many young people don't take drugs and it is wrong to tar us all with the same brush. As for the people who sell them they couldn't care less if you die or not as long as they make some money from you.

 

are you a young person? no..

 

am i? yes (along with the other advocates posting in this thread, i would imagine)..

 

who, then, would you say is the more accurate authority on what "youth culture" get up to?

 

what i, and others, are stating here is not opinion, but fact.. i am not talking about the legality/safety/etc. of drugs, am i talking about the situations, practices and behaviour being discussed.. i will summarise for you, sidney:

 

1) a large percentage of young people do take illicit drugs

2) the majority of these are what are described as "recreational" drugs, such as cannabis, ecstasy/mdma, etc.

3) the majority of these drug takers get their drugs from friends, who most certainly do care about their wellbeing (if only for their own peace of mind)

4) "recreational" drugs are exactly that - they are used recreationally in the same way alcohol/video games/theme park rides are.. as such, users seek out their supplier (usually a friend, as mentioned above) and request drugs.. they are in no way "pushed" onto them (they should be so lucky!)

 

sid, really, stop.. you are making yourself look daft, even to those who do not advocate drug usage.. just when i think you can't possibly be any more naïve you go and surprise me with a post like that lol..

 

give me strength..

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Originally posted by slimsid2000

Yes, I'd have to. Presumably it would no longer be on sale (except from very dubious individuals) and would manage to live without it.

 

I very rarley drink alcohol (except the odd liquour chocolate at Christmas and a 'Highland Fling Cocktail' at an annual Burns night dinner) and could manage without it if necessary. As for chocolate I can take it or leave it.

 

These are all the redest of red herrings anyway. Most people in this country do not take illegal drugs and I suspect that quite a few of those that do only started because of peer presure (then became adicted). It is very unfair to equate drug culture with youth culture - many young people don't take drugs and it is wrong to tar us all with the same brush. As for the people who sell them they couldn't care less if you die or not as long as they make some money from you.

 

the point that was being made was that you are a very rare person (special even), if you automatically obey whatever crackpot laws the government pass.

Most people excercise a little bit of free thought and decide for themselves.

And it is a fact that something ridiculous like 80% of 15 year olds have tried at least one recreational drug. Even if only 50% of them carry on using it on an ocassional basis it's still going to be at the very least a few people in most pubs/clubs.

Sheesh - MP's have admitted to having tried canabis in their youth, they obviously survived the experience with their minds mostly intact.

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Originally posted by Cyclone

you are a very rare person (special even)

 

lol :hihi:

 

Most people excercise a little bit of free thought and decide for themselves.

 

innit.. you do come across as the world's most naïve automaton, sidney..

 

And it is a fact that something ridiculous like 80% of 15 year olds have tried at least one recreational drug. Even if only 50% of them carry on using it on an ocassional basis it's still going to be at the very least a few people in most pubs/clubs.

 

i wouldn't bother quoting facts and statistics, sid will only choose to ignore them and continue posting his increasingly naïve and skewed perspective on life :roll:

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Originally posted by Cyclone

the point that was being made was that you are a very rare person (special even), if you automatically obey whatever crackpot laws the government pass.

 

This is exactly the same point being made by pro-fox hunters who intend to ignore the new law and continue hunting. Personally, I don't care about fox hunting one way or the other but if you (or anyone else) is pro drugs but anti hunting then it is a little food for thought.

 

 

Most people excercise a little bit of free thought and decide for themselves.

 

I am so glad you made this point so explicitaly as it goes right to the heart of the matter.

 

I would suggest that it is much easier to be rebelious against remote 'authority' figures (police, courts, teachers etc) than it is to go against your own peer group. How many people who start taking drugs really do exercise genuinely free thought rather than go along with the group so as not to be labeled boring, squre, Daily Mail reader or whatever insults you may care to think up.

 

Such things said to me on an internet forum are like water of a duck's back but to a teenager who desperately wants to fit in it is a different matter.

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Originally posted by slimsid2000

Such things said to me on an internet forum are like water of a duck's back but to a teenager who desperately wants to fit in it is a different matter.

 

You're 35, what does it matter? Are you vindictive because you had a hard time as a teenager and trying to figure out where you went wrong?

 

I really don't understand you.

 

I've smoked pot because I like it and want to, none of my friends really did. Where do I fit in to your half-brained theories?

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Are you seriously claiming that there is no peer pressure to try drugs?

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Originally posted by slimsid2000

Are you seriously claiming that there is no peer pressure to try drugs?

 

Are you seriously claiming they are the root of all evil?

 

Try widening your horizons a little bit, you dont need to go out and try any drugs, just be a little more open to the possibility that in some circumstances they could even enhance your life. You may even get that desparately needed girlfriend!

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Originally posted by floyd77

Are you seriously claiming they are the root of all evil?

 

Try widening your horizons a little bit, you dont need to go out and try any drugs, just be a little more open to the possibility that in some circumstances they could even enhance your life. You may even get that desparately needed girlfriend!

 

No thank you. I prefer to think for myself on these matters. I also don't want girls who are drug takers.

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