How can I find out the freeholder?

[uk123789 10]

Hi,

anyone can help on how to find out who is freeholder of my house?

 

I have a house in Club Garden Road, lease hold of 80 years, I never receive any bill for ground rent, how can I find out the contact of the freeholder?

 

any advice is appreciated!

[Gambler 10]

You can get a title register from the landregistry.gov.uk for £4, just go there and I think find a property tab at the top.

[S10er 10]

You can get a title register from the landregistry.gov.uk for £4, just go there and I think find a property tab at the top.

 

 

Gambler is right - if the freehold is registered - it might not be in which case its not so easy.

 

Presumably you don't get ground rent demands? What about your neighbours as its likely they have the same landlord.

 

Has anyone bought a house nearby relatively recently? If so its likely their solicitor will have made these enquiries already. Asking them might save you hours of searching!

[samstar999 10]

This is an example of what you get for your £4 - I can't see where it shows the freeholder/leaseholder.

 

I need the same info as OP as I too haven't received a ground rent bill for about 7 years and have NO idea how to find out who it is. I also can't find my deeds - and I need to know when the house was built ... any one else got any ideas?

 

Sorry! It's really long - I couldn't post a link!

 

Thanks

 

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Title number: CS72510

This title is dealt with by Land Registry, Plymouth Office.

The following extract contains information taken from the register of the above title number. A full copy of the register accompanies this document and you should read that in order to be sure that these brief details are complete.

Neither this extract nor the full copy is an ‘official copy’ of the register. An official copy of the register is admissible in evidence in a court to the same extent as the original. A person is entitled to be indemnified by the registrar if he suffers loss by reason of a mistake in an official copy.

This extract shows information current on [date and time] and so does not take account of any application made after that time even if pending in the Land Registry when this extract was issued.

REGISTER EXTRACT

Title Number : CS72510

Address of Property : 23 Cottage Lane, Kerwick, PL14 3JP.

Price Paid/Value Stated : £128,000

Registered Owners : Peter Andrew Bartram and Susan Helen Bartram of

: 23 Cottage Lane, Kerwick, (PL14 3JP).

Lender : ILKINGHAM BUILDING SOCIETY

The title number is Land Registry’s unique reference number for this registered land.

The price paid/value stated information has been entered in the register since 1 April 2000. It is based on information contained in the transfer or application form lodged with us. It has not been verified by us and may not represent the full market value of the property. For further information please click here.

Specimen register

This is a copy of the register of the title number set out immediately below, showing the entries in the register on [date and time]. This copy does not take account of any application made after that time even if still pending in the Land Registry when this copy was issued.

This copy is not an ‘official copy’ of the register. An official copy of the register is admissible in evidence in a court to the same extent as the original. A person is entitled to be indemnified by the registrar if he suffers loss by reason of a mistake in an official copy. If you want to obtain an official copy, you will need to complete form OC1.

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TITLE NUMBER : CS72510 PROPERTY REGISTER

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CORNSHIRE : MARADON

1. (29 August 1974) The Freehold land shown edged with red on the plan of the above Title filed at the Registry and being 23 Cottage Lane, Kerwick, (PL14 3JP).

2. (29 August 1974) The land tinted yellow on the title plan has the benefit of the following rights granted by the Conveyance dated 27 July 1968 referred to in the charges register:-

“TOGETHER WITH the benefit of a right of way on foot only over that part of the shared accessway belonging to 25 Cottage Lane.”

3. (29 August 1974) The land has the benefit of the rights granted by the Transfer dated 21 August 1974 referred to in the Charges Register.

END OF PROPERTY REGISTER

The title number is Land Registry’s unique reference number for this registered land.

This is the date that the entry was made in the register.

The property register identifies the geographical location and extent of the registered property by means of a short verbal description (usually the address) and by reference to an official plan which is prepared for each title. It may also give particulars of any rights that benefit the land. In the case of a leasehold title, it gives brief details of the lease.

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TITLE NUMBER : CS72510 PROPRIETORSHIP REGISTER - ABSOLUTE FREEHOLD

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1. (18 December 2001): PROPRIETOR: PETER ANDREW BARTRAM and SUSAN HELEN BARTRAM of 23 Cottage Lane, Kerwick, (PL14 3JP).

2. (18 December 2001) The price stated to have been paid on 3 December 2001 was £128,000.

3. (18 December 2001) Except under an order of the registrar no disposition by the proprietor of the land is to be registered without the consent of the proprietor of the charge dated 3 December 2001 in favour of the Ilkingham Building Society referred to in the Charges Register.

This type of entry has been entered in the register since 1 April 2000. It is based on information contained in the transfer or application form lodged with us. It has not been verified by us and may not represent the full market value of the property.

END OF PROPRIETORSHIP REGISTER

The proprietorship register specifies the quality of title. It also gives the name and address of the legal owner(s) and shows whether there are any restrictions on their power to sell, mortgage or otherwise deal with the land. It may give details of price paid or value information relating to the title.

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TITLE NUMBER : CS72510 CHARGES REGISTER- ABSOLUTE FREEHOLD

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1. (29 August 1974) A Conveyance of the land tinted pink on the title plan dated 14 February 1965 made between (1) Archibald Henry Dawson (Vendor) and (2) Thomas Yorke (Purchaser) contains the following covenants:-

“THE Purchaser hereby covenants with the Vendor so as to bind the land hereby conveyed into whosoever hands the same may come that the Purchaser and his successors in title will not use the premises hereby conveyed for the retail sale of grocery or as a butchers shop.”

2. (29 August 1974) The land in this title is subject to the following rights reserved by a Conveyance dated 27 July 1968 made between (1) Maradon Borough Council (Vendor) and (2) John Robertson (Purchaser):-

“subject to

(i) An exception and reservation in favour of the Vendor of the right to enter upon the land hereby conveyed for the purpose of constructing a public sewer the approximate line of which is shown coloured red on the plan annexed hereto and at all times hereafter for the purpose of inspecting cleaning repairing or renewing the said sewer.”

NOTE:- The red line referred to is shown by a blue broken line on the title plan.

3. (29 August 1974) A Transfer of the land in this title dated 21 August 1974 made between (1) Henry Smith and (2) David Stanley Charles and Susan Charles contains restrictive covenants.

NOTE: Copy in Certificate.

4. REGISTERED CHARGE dated 3 December 2001 to secure the moneys including the further advances therein mentioned.

PROPRIETOR Ilkingham Building Society of 101 Cambridge Street, Ilkingham IL1 3FC.

Where the matters contained in a deed are lengthy, we normally do not set out the full details in the register. This is because it allows us to process applications quicker so providing a more efficient service to our customers and also because the matters are sometimes best understood when read with the rest of the deed. Where this method has been used, the deed will be referred to in the register as “copy in certificate” or “copy filed”. To obtain an official copy of a deed referred to on the register in this way you will need to complete form OC2.

A registered mortgage, called a charge, affecting the title. It gives the date of the charge and the name and address of the lender.

The charges register contains identifying particulars of registered mortgages and notice of other financial burdens secured on the property (but does not disclose details of the amounts of money involved). It also gives notice of other rights and interests to which the property is subject such as leases, rights of way or covenants restricting the use of the property.

[S10er 10]

Samstar - I was a solicitor specialising in property until I left the UK a couple of years ago. What you have posted is the freehold title owned by Peter Andrew Bartram and Susan Helen Bartram. As the Bartrams' address is the same address as the property I'm guessing that's you? There's no sign of any lease on the title.

 

Your reason for posting was that you need to find out when your house was built. The title doesn't show that only that transfers took place in 1965, 1968 and 1974. My guess would be that the transfer in 1968 from Maradon Borough Council was to the original builder but, assuming you don't have a pack of title deeds to the house, you could speak to your local planning department and ask if they can give you a copy of the planning permission granted for the house. There might also be records in the council's building control department (for building regulations approvals) but its doubtful that those still exist if the house was built in the 60's or 70's.

 

Failing that you could try your local library for historic maps of the area.

[samstar999 10]

Hi

 

Thanks for all that info - the thing I posted was an example from the Land Registry - not my house. I agree though, it doesn't give the info I need.

 

Maybe I'll go back to the Land Reg website and for £4 find out what it will tell me .... very annoying that I can't find my deeds. Bit silly really to lose them!

 

Thanks again

Sam

[nicholls5 10]

Hi - I have at last just paid off my mortgage- 26 years but i got there. I have been sent all the deeds etc to go with the house and in my opinion contain a load of twaddle. I am not sure what I was expecteing = Something legal or perhaps information on when the property was built etc but all i have got is a very think file that contains all the details of the previous owners - how much they paid, thier names, the solicitor they used etc - is this what they call deeds?. Sorry for sounding thick but not ever having seen deeds before I am not sure what to expect, I only know everyone has been telling me not to loose them / store them somewhere really safe / keep them with a solicitor - for what i ask myself, my car insurance document looks more important. Can anyone help, is this correct?, do I have to keep them really safe?. Suppose you never know someone may want them if I sell the house but for what - who knows.

[topflat29 10]

Hi - I have at last just paid off my mortgage- 26 years but i got there. I have been sent all the deeds etc to go with the house and in my opinion contain a load of twaddle. I am not sure what I was expecteing = Something legal or perhaps information on when the property was built etc but all i have got is a very think file that contains all the details of the previous owners - how much they paid, thier names, the solicitor they used etc - is this what they call deeds?. Sorry for sounding thick but not ever having seen deeds before I am not sure what to expect, I only know everyone has been telling me not to loose them / store them somewhere really safe / keep them with a solicitor - for what i ask myself, my car insurance document looks more important. Can anyone help, is this correct?, do I have to keep them really safe?. Suppose you never know someone may want them if I sell the house but for what - who knows.

 

Those documents will prove you are the current title older and help the next buyer of your property to get a mortgage . So don't lose the documents. Don't rely on the Land Registry records as Land Registry themselves have been victims of fraudulent transfers.

[topflat29 10]

Hi

 

Thanks for all that info - the thing I posted was an example from the Land Registry - not my house. I agree though, it doesn't give the info I need.

 

Maybe I'll go back to the Land Reg website and for £4 find out what it will tell me .... very annoying that I can't find my deeds. Bit silly really to lose them!

 

Thanks again

Sam

 

In the middle of your sample posting of LR record, you will see "title number" ending in " Aboslute Freehold ".

 

So go back to LR website and enter the post code of your address and buy a copy of both the "freehold title" and "leasehold title".