HeadingNorth   11 #49 Posted January 11, 2010 Well the reports that say so must be wrong then!  No report ever has said so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
shoeshine   10 #50 Posted January 11, 2010 (edited) So how do you explain the country being worth 3 Trillion when Labour came to power now being worth 9 Trillion, what exactly are they baling out> By the way the 9 Trillion is net of debt.  I think you really are a candidate for our "Special Needs" Section ..... and fortunately for you, NuLabour has brought in the "Elf & Safety" Rules ...... especially the ones requiring our Medics to ensure "Self-Harm" Protection.  This country worth £9trillion?  We have a special Course here, available to only very, very special, deluded individuals. Send a request for further information .......  ps ...... you may get a delay in repying, at the moment. Our printing Presses are currently very busy making worthless, unbackable wealth with £50 notes to supply the existing finance to H.M Government. We call it "funny money". The sort you get if you buy a Monopoly Game .......  In addition ..... for info purposes .... NuLabour got the idea from, let's just say, ..... what was a once-thriving African Country). You know the one ..... a loaf of bread costs a million dollars ...... been in the news recently. Edited January 11, 2010 by shoeshine Spelling correction Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Titanic99 Â Â 10 #51 Posted January 11, 2010 Hang on a minute,its Labour that caused the ression in the first place.When they took over this country we were well in the black,now were cleaned out,not only in monertary terms but morally too. Everything Labour have touched has turned to dust,they have sold this country out in every way imagingable and it will soon be apparent just how much,but that will be AFTER labour have gone. Â The country is worth 9 trillion now if you believe the studies done, not quite sure how you've reached your conclusions but I suggest you do a bit of reading before sharing your thoughts with us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
discodown   11 #52 Posted January 11, 2010 and they want to change the rules on Inheritance Tax so that 5 people per constituency will receive an extra billion pound a year between them, whilst cutting money on key areas of public services to help fund this. Those two things alone tell me what we can expect from them (again), and I find the thoughts of it quite unpleasant. Lets really look at inheritance tax. Here are the thresholds for inheritance tax.  While a little trawl across google will reveal that average uk house prices are somewhere between £140k - £190k. So far so good but lets look further.  Here are some people who will be affected by inheritence tax. While they may live in a very nice house for sheffield what does your £325k get you in London?  This apparently. Suddenly raising inheritance tax doesn't seem so unreasonable does it? All the tories are trying to do is protect people who have inherited property and don't want to get stung when they pass it on to their kids. Is that really so unreasonable? its not like they're saying anyone with a million in the bank is exempt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Titanic99   10 #53 Posted January 11, 2010 I think you really are a candidate for our "Special Needs" Section ..... and fortunately for you, NuLabour has brought in the "Elf & Safety" Rules ...... especially the ones requiring our Medics to ensure "Self-Harm" Protection.  This country worth £9trillion?   It isn't me that is saying this, it's these people.  http://go.sheffieldforum.co.uk/?id=203X323&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.bbc.co.uk%2F1%2Fhi%2Fbusiness%2F8405901.stm  Quite an impressive achievement really! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
discodown   11 #54 Posted January 11, 2010 I'm interested to know how you think these missing people survive then and how we've managed to avoid civil servants leaking details of these lies. It must be one hell of a cover-up if the figures are wrong, or there must be a load of people living somewhere with no income to support themselves. Because if you are on income support or invalidity benefit or even ESA you aren't regarded as unemployed by labour. These people are the hidden unemployed. I'm not suggesting that they are all fit to work but some of them certainly are. Also if you are an immigrant with no recourse to public funds then you are unemployed but not counted because you can't claim benefits. Asylum seekers who haven't yet been processed are not included. There are more categories as well. Its not a cover up its manipulation Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Titanic99   10 #55 Posted January 11, 2010 Lets really look at inheritance tax. Here are the thresholds for inheritance tax.  While a little trawl across google will reveal that average uk house prices are somewhere between £140k - £190k. So far so good but lets look further.  Here are some people who will be affected by inheritence tax. While they may live in a very nice house for sheffield what does your £325k get you in London?  This apparently. Suddenly raising inheritance tax doesn't seem so unreasonable does it? All the tories are trying to do is protect people who have inherited property and don't want to get stung when they pass it on to their kids. Is that really so unreasonable? its not like they're saying anyone with a million in the bank is exempt  I'm not sure of your point, if you want to give 1 billion of money back to the families of these people and to take it away from the Schools and Hospitals then that is your choice. It isn't mine but each to their own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
discodown   11 #56 Posted January 11, 2010 Is this the case or is it that these are now recorded and why are the Tories choosing to remove targets on waiting times. We all know the answer and that is because they don't want the results to be worse than under Labour, if I have to wait for an operation then I want to know how long I will be waiting. Are you suggesting that the tories hid or disguised the amount of people suffering superbugs? I don't know why they are choosing to remove targets, probably because hospitals aren't grommit factories and shouldn't be judged on productivity but should be judged by how many people they get better and the quality of care they are given. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Titanic99   10 #57 Posted January 11, 2010 Because if you are on income support or invalidity benefit or even ESA you aren't regarded as unemployed by labour. These people are the hidden unemployed. I'm not suggesting that they are all fit to work but some of them certainly are. Also if you are an immigrant with no recourse to public funds then you are unemployed but not counted because you can't claim benefits. Asylum seekers who haven't yet been processed are not included. There are more categories as well. Its not a cover up its manipulation  You weren't under the Tories, I believe it was Invalidity Benefit then and the figure was around 2.1 million when Labour came to power.  My understAnding is that the 2.5 million is the universally approved way of counting people which is why you get those types you've mentioned and not just those claiming JSA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
discodown   11 #58 Posted January 11, 2010 Yep but there are three ways to deal with the debt, you can either cut services, you can raise taxes or you can sell assets.  The Tories want the former savagely with the bonus of reducing taxes for the rich, I prefer the second option with the third being preferable to the first. And thats what Labour are doing. They will have to cut services and raise taxes because they sold off all the assetts. Gordon Brown flogged off the gold when it was at its lowest price. He sold out the pensions pot. Theres nowt to sell.  Whoever gets in will have to cut costs. Labour can say they won't but the reality is they will have to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Titanic99   10 #59 Posted January 11, 2010 Are you suggesting that the tories hid or disguised the amount of people suffering superbugs? I don't know why they are choosing to remove targets, probably because hospitals aren't grommit factories and shouldn't be judged on productivity but should be judged by how many people they get better and the quality of care they are given.  No I'm saying that it may never have been recorded, I've not seen either way but I do know if I need an operation then I don't want to go back to the bad old days of waiting months for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
shoeshine   10 #60 Posted January 11, 2010 It isn't me that is saying this, it's these people. http://go.sheffieldforum.co.uk/?id=203X323&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.bbc.co.uk%2F1%2Fhi%2Fbusiness%2F8405901.stm  Quite an impressive achievement really!  We have an "Ultra Special" Department which deals with people who actually believe that the BBC News output is unbiased .......  The Department is specially equipped (although the treatment course offered requires a longer in-house stay than those previously mentioned in this discourse than any mentioned previously here).  Prices via Personal Application in writing only. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...