Should life mean life?

[Cyclone 10]

Assuming that 10 years means 10 years and that parole no longer means release at 5 years. What you in effect have is the same as the current 20 year sentence, because presumably for cases where todays parole conditions couldn't be achieved, the sentence would be extended.

So in reality, no change, except in the way it's communicated.

 

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A life for a life...... in cases where guilt can be proven 100% then bring back capital punishment

 

In what circumstances? All murders?

Any burden of 100% proof would never be achieved of course, we have 2 levels of proof, on the balance of probabilities (for civil cases) and beyond reasonable doubt for criminal cases, we have no 100% certain burden of proof.

 

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Because that really would make the state as bad as the criminal.

 

Death shouldn't be the penalty for all murders, but for people like mass murderer Ted Bundy where the crimes were so horrendous and the evidence so overwhelming, the death penalty is absolutely the right sentence.

 

Killing makes the state as bad as the criminal.

[ukdobby 224]

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Killing makes the state as bad as the criminal.

 

The criminal has forced the state to act this way,no one forced the criminal to murder but himself.The state is not has bad as the murderer.

[Halibut 12]

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Killing makes the state as bad as the criminal.

 

The criminal has forced the state to act this way,no one forced the criminal to murder but himself.The state is not has bad as the murderer.

 

Wrong. The state has a choice about how to respond. It can deprive the killer of their liberty, or do the wrong thing and kill them.

 

Even in countries where the death penalty exists I would argue that the state is more wrong than the murderer, since it is acting in cold blood, often many years after the event. The great majority of murders are not premeditated.

[ukdobby 224]

The criminal has forced the state to act this way,no one forced the criminal to murder but himself.The state is not has bad as the murderer.

 

Wrong. The state has a choice about how to respond. It can deprive the killer of their liberty, or do the wrong thing and kill them.

 

Even in countries where the death penalty exists I would argue that the state is more wrong than the murderer, since it is acting in cold blood, often many years after the event. The great majority of murders are not premeditated.

 

Not worth answering.

[Jeffrey Shaw 90]

The thread is not about death sentencing, anyway, but instead about whether sentences pronounced should mean what they say.

And that seems logical, doesn't it?

[melthebell 863]

hopefully this one does too

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-41653795

[ukdobby 224]

hopefully this one does too

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-41653795

 

What's the point of letting this thing walk the streets,the powers what be was told not to let this thing out.For the millionth time they said they will learn by their mistakes

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Killing makes the state as bad as the criminal.

The criminal has forced the state to act this way,no one forced the criminal to murder but himself.The state is not has bad as the murderer.

 

Clearly the state isn't forced to act in that way, as it currently doesn't. What a ludicrous thing to say.

[ukdobby 224]

Clearly the state isn't forced to act in that way, as it currently doesn't. What a ludicrous thing to say.

 

And saying the state is as bad as the murderer isn't.

[Cyclone 10]

And saying the state is as bad as the murderer isn't.

 

You can't explain why it isn't...

[hackey lad 3,976]

hopefully this one does too

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-41653795

 

Not defending him but that man was suffering from serious mental illness . he warned many times what he was going to do but yet again we hear the same old stock statement " we will learn from this" etc

[ukdobby 224]

You can't explain why it isn't...

 

Because the murderer doesn't give his victim a chance then he gets a fair trial,how can that be the same.