Anyone worked at Firth Browns?

[melv 16]

Hi Brian and All,

 

Glad you enjoyed the pics. Brian

 

Does anyone know where this is?? It's listed as part of Cammell Lairds old works. Don't recall the renewed brickwork. Maybe a few apexes have been removed.

Think it may be on the right hand side of Carlisle Street East past the Newman Road junction when going towards Upwell Street and maybe opposite the end of Adsetts Street.

Or maybe on the right hand side of Savile Street past Sutherland Street towards the Wicker. Don't think this had been Cammell Laird though.

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s32075&pos=359&action=zoom&id=104645

 

Peter.

 

Is it on Saville street above the melting shop going towards town. I think the first aid post was through the large gate.

[PeterR 10]

Hi Melv,

 

This 1985 pic shows the Siemens melt shop immediately past the clock and on towards the crossroads with Sutherland Street. I can't see any likeness with the buildings on the pic on my last post. That's why I wondered if it was between Sutherland Street and the Wicker goods station.

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?action=zoomWindow&keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s26727&prevUrl=

 

Peter.

 

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Hi Brian,

 

Here's another pic I don't recognise, even though the street is named...

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s36074&pos=1&action=zoom&id=112130

 

Any ideas?

 

Peter.

[stpetre 12]

Hi Melv,

 

This 1985 pic shows the Siemens melt shop immediately past the clock and on towards the crossroads with Sutherland Street. I can't see any likeness with the buildings on the pic on my last post. That's why I wondered if it was between Sutherland Street and the Wicker goods station.

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?action=zoomWindow&keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s26727&prevUrl=

 

Peter.

 

---------- Post added 15-12-2017 at 15:20 ----------

 

Hi Brian,

 

Here's another pic I don't recognise, even though the street is named...

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s36074&pos=1&action=zoom&id=112130

 

Any ideas?

 

Peter.

 

Didn't work at Firth-Brown's but did live in the area. I thought Cammel-Lairds in that area was at Sutherland Street and Carlisle Street late to become ESC's Cyclops works and now occupied by a firm called ATI. Also the stretch on Carlisle Street East from Newhall Road to Upwell Street was ESC property (later British Steel). Firth-Brown's works on Carlisle Street East ended (started ?) at Newhall Road.

[swowls 10]

Is anyone still using this thread? I worked at FB from 1964 to 1980. Started in the apprentice training school (Syd May days) then on the plant as an apprentice fitter for the rest of my apprenticeship. Finished up in the forge maintenance shop with Richard Caborn, Terry Hallam, Terry Darling, Les Crapper, Ray Turner, Len Ashton etc. Then went onto time and motion (kinda mistake) but got to be a maintenance foreman from there. Worked for the longest time with Steve Buck, Wilf Aram, the Matthews brothers Steve and Paul, Ray Bond, Eric Wragg, Johnny Leach. Anyone still around from that era?

 

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Hi Brian,

 

Here's a couple of pics of the Corner Pin in 2013...

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?action=zoomWindow&keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;c04238&prevUrl=

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?action=zoomWindow&keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;c04239&prevUrl=

 

Here's Ted Heath opposite 37 gate Savile Street...

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?action=zoomWindow&keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;y02711&prevUrl=

 

This is how it looks now filled in with the lighter brickwork to the right of the first floor bay window.

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?action=zoomWindow&keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;c01482&prevUrl=

 

Peter.

Spent many an hour there when the Prime's owned it

[melv 16]

Is anyone still using this thread? I worked at FB from 1964 to 1980. Started in the apprentice training school (Syd May days) then on the plant as an apprentice fitter for the rest of my apprenticeship. Finished up in the forge maintenance shop with Richard Caborn, Terry Hallam, Terry Darling, Les Crapper, Ray Turner, Len Ashton etc. Then went onto time and motion (kinda mistake) but got to be a maintenance foreman from there. Worked for the longest time with Steve Buck, Wilf Aram, the Matthews brothers Steve and Paul, Ray Bond, Eric Wragg, Johnny Leach. Anyone still around from that era?

 

---------- Post added 17-12-2017 at 00:59 ----------

 

Spent many an hour there when the Prime's owned it

 

I'm a bit younger than you and I think I remember you from the description. Are the initials to your name ST?

[PeterR 10]

Didn't work at Firth-Brown's but did live in the area. I thought Cammel-Lairds in that area was at Sutherland Street and Carlisle Street late to become ESC's Cyclops works and now occupied by a firm called ATI. Also the stretch on Carlisle Street East from Newhall Road to Upwell Street was ESC property (later British Steel). Firth-Brown's works on Carlisle Street East ended (started ?) at Newhall Road.

 

Hi stpetre,

 

I think that on Carlisle Street East Cammell Lairds, which eventually became ESC, stretched just between Upwell Street and Newhall Road.

Firth Browns ran from Newhall Road to Spital Hill in my time.

I understood that, earlier, Kayser Ellisons had some of the property ending at Sutherland Street. See my pic here....

 

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNO7yobhSgOCLP2Pzx1_WQ1_cLuMtAkTySNuGAC1ZubCaHL0BsN-e0Qvzi_QVfvXA/photo/AF1QipN5lwjHLflPxxjkROiWSMCStWyva8zhyZmQ9a5o?key=V1RyWDhwRmZ4Z3ZaWXR1eTdjdV8tX1ZTdlNsdER3

 

However, there were many changes over the years.

 

Here's some info and pics, some of which you may have seen before...

 

https://historicengland.org.uk/services-skills/education/educational-images/stained-glass-window-truro-cathedral-bb98-11580

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s09747&pos=39&action=zoom&id=12844

 

https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Kayser,_Ellison_and_Co

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s14108&pos=1&action=zoom&id=16932

 

Regards, Peter.

 

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Hi swowls,

 

In response to your post 677.

 

I worked in the offices from age 15 in 1959 until 1966 and came across Wilf Aram occasionally when I was an office junior in Progress and Planning at 36 gate on Savile Street East in 1959 to'61. I think he was a foreman at that time. At least he wore a brown smock.

 

I believe that he became works manager in the mid 60s.

 

Peter.

Edited December 17, 2017 by PeterR

[stpetre 12]

Hi stpetre,

 

I think that on Carlisle Street East Cammell Lairds, which eventually became ESC, stretched just between Upwell Street and Newhall Road.

Firth Browns ran from Newhall Road to Spital Hill in my time.

I understood that, earlier, Kayser Ellisons had some of the property ending at Sutherland Street. See my pic here....

 

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNO7yobhSgOCLP2Pzx1_WQ1_cLuMtAkTySNuGAC1ZubCaHL0BsN-e0Qvzi_QVfvXA/photo/AF1QipN5lwjHLflPxxjkROiWSMCStWyva8zhyZmQ9a5o?key=V1RyWDhwRmZ4Z3ZaWXR1eTdjdV8tX1ZTdlNsdER3

 

However, there were many changes over the years.

 

Here's some info and pics, some of which you may have seen before...

 

https://historicengland.org.uk/services-skills/education/educational-images/stained-glass-window-truro-cathedral-bb98-11580

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s09747&pos=39&action=zoom&id=12844

 

https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Kayser,_Ellison_and_Co

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s14108&pos=1&action=zoom&id=16932

 

Regards, Peter.

 

---------- Post added 17-12-2017 at 17:04 ----------

 

Hi swowls,

 

In response to your post 677.

 

I worked in the offices from age 15 in 1959 until 1966 and came across Wilf Aram occasionally when I was an office junior in Progress and Planning at 36 gate on Savile Street East in 1959 to'61. I think he was a foreman at that time. At least he wore a brown smock.

 

I believe that he became works manager in the mid 60s.

 

Peter.

 

Peter, did Firth-Brown's actually run as far as Spital Hill ? as the works on Carlisle Street ( on left towards Spital Hill from Sutherland Street) was the ESC Cyclops works, the other side of Carlisle Street (not East) was a few different firms including Morgan Fairest.

[swowls 10]

There were two Wilf Arams, dad and son old wilf was the manager of the machineshops and wilf (my age) was an electrician. We all started in the apprentice training school in Aug of 64.

 

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FB's did go all the way to Spital Hill by the time we had GFM installed just past Norfolk rolling Mills. I was the first maintenance foreman on GFM. Went to Austria to help dismantle the GFM and get it brought to FB. Ian Marshall was a young fitter at the time that went with me.

 

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Anyone know the whereabouts of Steve Buck, John leach? we started in the Apprentice Training School Aug '64. When back in England I try to get together with some of the guys from maintenance who meet first Monday of each month in town.

 

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Anyone hear of a poor workman who fell into a molten metal transporter bucket, back in the 50's I think. The story went that, of course, the metal could not be used, but I don't know how it was dealt with.

 

The company scrapped the melt and made a polished "brick" from it for his wife. He fell off the stage in melting while tapping the furnace. I believe he was throwing bags of guntapite?? in the melt to seal it.

 

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Hi Brian,

 

Ulley reservoir was about 10 mins drive from my then fiance's parents' house at Bramley on the outskirts of Rotherham. We married in March 1966. Occasionally we would have a pleasant drive to the reservoir after tea at their house.

 

Here's some info. I remember driving past regularly when the cracks scare was on in 2007 as I lived nearby at Aston then....

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulley_Reservoir

 

Yes I remember the 37 gates well. Central Warehouse handled the shipping of steel to clients. It would be delivered to us from the shops by lorry, or by rail for the biggest forgings we handled, which could weigh up to around six tons each. After weighing, to determine the type of transport required for delivery, items were ''marked up'' by the men on the shop floor. I would contact transport dept to arrange delivery to clients. This was done by contractors such as BRS. Here's a preserved Leyland Octopus of the era which I remember is the same type as the one handled by a driver named Don. I can see him in my minds eye now after over 50 years!....

 

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-v7w-wu20sk4/UYToaoaJ9RI/AAAAAAAAVBU/ZgQTNVIbgys/s1600/484498_471336566273246_480702675_n.jpg

 

I occasionally rode with drivers through 37 gate and up to transport office at Norfolk Bridge to complete late documents.

 

Peter.

 

One of our Lister drivers was Harry Ransom, and they were always kept in the Central maintenance shop just up from the Corner Pin. We looked after the tyre mill, and forging hammers etc. Also the heavy lifters were in there.

 

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Hi Brian, here's Brightside Lane with ESC offices on left in 2007 I think. My son in law was lifted by helicopter from the roof of modern units on the old site of Jessop Saville in the distance.....

 

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iSqh1-d7edc/hqdefault.jpg

 

Here's the back of the JS buildings during demolision in 1991..

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?action=zoomWindow&keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;v02965&prevUrl=

 

Here's Upwell Street bridge in 1979...

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?action=zoomWindow&keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s26927&prevUrl=

 

Peter.

 

That flood came half way up Hayland St where I lived at the time.

[PeterR 10]

Peter, did Firth-Brown's actually run as far as Spital Hill ? as the works on Carlisle Street ( on left towards Spital Hill from Sutherland Street) was the ESC Cyclops works, the other side of Carlisle Street (not East) was a few different firms including Morgan Fairest.

 

Hi stpetre,

 

swowls agrees with me on his post 681 that Firth Browns did go all the way to Spital Hill at some point in time. However from the pic below listed as Carlisle Street Burngreave it seems it had indeed, as you have said, been Cammell Lairds and then ESC at some points in the past.

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;c01806&pos=238&action=zoom&id=2310

 

Here are a couple of pics of Sanderson Kayser you may not have seen....

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;t07295&pos=1&action=zoom&id=124421

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;t07296&pos=1&action=zoom&id=124422

 

Peter.

Edited December 18, 2017 by PeterR

[brian1941 11]

Hi Melv,

 

This 1985 pic shows the Siemens melt shop immediately past the clock and on towards the crossroads with Sutherland Street. I can't see any likeness with the buildings on the pic on my last post. That's why I wondered if it was between Sutherland Street and the Wicker goods station.

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?action=zoomWindow&keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s26727&prevUrl=

 

Peter.

 

---------- Post added 15-12-2017 at 15:20 ----------

 

Hi Brian,

 

Here's another pic I don't recognise, even though the street is named...

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s36074&pos=1&action=zoom&id=112130

 

Any ideas?

 

Peter.

-----------------

Hiya Peter, Well, you have picked out a good photo of Firth Browns

this time, i keep looking at it and i know i've seen it but where, i even

know all them details on the photo. But can't think where it was.

Firstly, i dont remember any railway line running across the road on

Saville St. Yours Brian.

Ps, No 675.

Edited December 18, 2017 by brian1941
WORDING

[PeterR 10]

Hi swowls,

 

Thankyou for your interesting comments in post 681.

 

Excuse my ignorance but could you let me know what GFM stands for please?

 

Also, was Lister a small transport vehicle?

 

I remember clearly the Scammell Scarab. When I was in Central Warehouse, 1964 to '66, I sometimes offloaded materials transported from light machine shops when acting as standby crane driver....

 

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=Qn0xYTpR&id=FA6AA0F11D3B5D5E4BAEC928D9193B8E03621876&thid=OIP.Qn0xYTpRB4gsDi7HMLvFEgHaE4&q=scammell+scarab+images&simid=608003324822097042&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0

 

and think there were some B.E.V. electric trucks aswell..

 

Peter.

 

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Hi brian 1941,

 

I came across another pic for you.

 

Bet you know this one ...

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?action=zoomWindow&keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;t07300&prevUrl=

 

Peter.

Edited December 18, 2017 by PeterR

[swowls 10]

Hi stpetre,

 

swowls agrees with me on his post 681 that Firth Browns did go all the way to Spital Hill at some point in time. However from the pic below listed as Carlisle Street Burngreave it seems it had indeed, as you have said, been Cammell Lairds and then ESC at some points in the past.

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;c01806&pos=238&action=zoom&id=2310

 

Here are a couple of pics of Sanderson Kayser you may not have seen....

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;t07295&pos=1&action=zoom&id=124421

 

http://picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;t07296&pos=1&action=zoom&id=124422

 

Peter.

 

The GFM plant FB installed after 1978 for over 12 million pounds, was on the triangular (kinda) plot of land that went from the Norfolk Bar Rolling Mills that spanned Sutherland ST towards the Wicker Arches. That part of FB eventually came under Sheffield Forgemasters as I believe ( I had left for the US by then) which in essence was English Steels. I was the maintenance foreman at the time for Norfolk bar, and after help dismantle the GFM machine in Austria in August 78 was the maintenance foreman on GFM. Around that time Albert Hockley, Ray Jeffcock, Mr Wright were the "Engineers".