Wildcat   10 #145 Posted July 19, 2009 as i said earlier one bad apple spoils a box hanza was finally arrested but what about the other 50 that the security services have a dossier on this fool being one off them http://blog.taragana.com/n/ranting-uk-hate-preacher-to-target-teens-at-jihad-summer-school-54807/,they all have followers,they must come from the mainstream,if not where do they come from ,we need more people like the community in bristol who reported the terrorist in their midst it is said 7% of muslims, that equates to around 100,000 believe suicide bombings in britain are justified ,thats a big chunk out of the moderates that must feel threatened by so many with those sort of feelings,those moderates need more back up as they chose to stand agaist the extremists http://uniset.ca/terr/news/lnt_howliberalbritain.html  Those 50 people are 0.003% of the population of muslims. even if they each have 100 followers that still leaves 99.7% of the muslim population not following extremists that our security forces consider to be a risk.  It is a huge leap to say that the 50 'must come from the mainstream'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
depoix   11 #146 Posted July 19, 2009 Those 50 people are 0.003% of the population of muslims. even if they each have 100 followers that still leaves 99.7% of the muslim population not following extremists that our security forces consider to be a risk. It is a huge leap to say that the 50 'must come from the mainstream'. so you never took the time to read my last link ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Wildcat   10 #147 Posted July 19, 2009 so you never took the time to read my last link ?  The first link doesn't work. The second one seemed to be mainly about the Police's failure to do anything about the Finsbury Park mosque, and no where makes the claims that the extremists are anything but a minority.  The poll results the article uses are also in my opinion misleading, I remember when they came out and when you look at the results at face value yes they do look high but when you consider that the questions are about broad potential circumstances then the results aren't so surprising. You also shouldn't forget that according to Polls 30% of the Uk population thinks Diana was assassinated. Weird views on topics are not the sole preserve of muslims. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
depoix   11 #148 Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) apologies for the links not working ,try again  http://blog.taragana.com/n/ranting-uk-hate-preacher-to-target-teens-at-jihad-summer-school-54807/   http://uniset.ca/terr/news/lnt_howliberalbritain.html  these seem to work,but i disagree it wasnt the police to blame it was the government,and yes we have a white terrorist that has been put away,but the percentages are still higher when it comes to white v brown,it doesnt matter how you dress it up we are in a mess because of lax leadership on our politicians part and multiculturism and unless we all pull together it is never going to get any better Edited July 20, 2009 by depoix Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tab1   10 #149 Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) apologies for the links not working ,try again http://blog.taragana.com/n/ranting-uk-hate-preacher-to-target-teens-at-jihad-summer-school-54807/   http://uniset.ca/terr/news/lnt_howliberalbritain.html  these seem to work,but i disagree it wasnt the police to blame it was the government,and yes we have a white terrorist that has been put away,but the percentages are still higher when it comes to white v brown,it doesnt matter how you dress it up we are in a mess because of lax leadership on our politicians part and multiculturism and unless we all pull together it is never going to get any better Ultimately it would always be the Government to blame when things happen under their watch, but the Police has allowed themselves to be used in a political way which would have been resisted in yesteryear. The Police almost confirming the hysteria of the Government by statements and press briefings just before the Government's decisions on war or changes in Law etc. Do you remember the tanks at Heathrow Airport when the army was used to create hysteria? How was a tank ever going to stop a suicide bomber? It was merely a stunt to cower people into backing an illegal war, and we fell for it The percentages are indeed still higher when it comes to white v brown, only confirming that there is a problem which hasn't been addressed, and many in the world have been left with a feeling of injustice and a grievance, and it isn't simply 'oh there religion tells them to blow themselves up'. No justification of terrorism should be acceptable from any quarter, and no potential terrorist should be handed a justification for their vile acts either. Edited July 20, 2009 by tab1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Wildcat   10 #150 Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) apologies for the links not working ,try again http://blog.taragana.com/n/ranting-uk-hate-preacher-to-target-teens-at-jihad-summer-school-54807/   http://uniset.ca/terr/news/lnt_howliberalbritain.html  these seem to work,but i disagree it wasnt the police to blame it was the government,and yes we have a white terrorist that has been put away,but the percentages are still higher when it comes to white v brown,it doesnt matter how you dress it up we are in a mess because of lax leadership on our politicians part and multiculturism and unless we all pull together it is never going to get any better  I am sorry on my way to work, i will look at the links later.  But I don't see how the Govt can be held responsible for the decisions made by the Police. Nor for that matter that they have been weak, the Forest Gate fiasco presents a very different picture. With regards to the Govt they have been consistently eroding our civil liberties with regards to terrorism often like with the suspension of habeas corpus to a lot of justified popular outcry.  As for the scale of the problem we have just had the largest weapons haul in 20 years.... from far right terrorists, and if you include the day to day harassment and bullying of minoroties by the far right we have a much bigger problem than most people realise.  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6638139.ece  Yes of course there are problems with extremism in a minority of the Islamic community, I am not denying this.  In the case of preachers it is worth considering that the boundaries of what is protected under free speach have been pushed by the far right like for example the Nick Griffin case where he got away with calling all muslims rapists.  The far right and muslim extremists feed off each other in a symbiotic type of relationship.  I agree with your final comment that the solution is for us all to pull together, and that includes not generalising about the activities of a m inority of extremists and extending them to the whole community. Edited July 20, 2009 by Wildcat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tab1 Â Â 10 #151 Posted July 20, 2009 I agree with your final comment that the solution is for us all to pull together, and that includes not generalising about the activities of a m inority of extremists and extending them to the whole community.I agree with pulling together , but that is if the 'WE' in the statement includes the Muslims as part of the community at large, and I hope it does;). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
depoix   11 #152 Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) :hihi: theres always one doubting thomas aint there ?  and wildcat, it's only human nature to be suspicious,if you get stung by a wasp wouldnt you try to get rid of all the wasps in your house ? Edited July 20, 2009 by depoix Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Wildcat   10 #153 Posted July 20, 2009 and wildcat, it's only human nature to be suspicious,if you get stung by a wasp wouldnt you try to get rid of all the wasps in your house ?  Appreciate it is not your intention, but the analogy really demands the response that we are talking about human beings not insects.  Whether it is human nature or not to be suspicious, doesn't say anything about the rightness or wrongness of making unfair and damaging generalisations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tyranna   10 #154 Posted July 20, 2009    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6714985.ece  I doubt it will make headlines on front of the Mail/Express (as it's not a muslim, news doesn't sell as quick)..  Does this mean the police will start making indiscrimanate arrests, carrying out dawn raids, subjecting families of the likes of the above to scutiny and terror- then take them into custody with NO evidence, hold them and then later release them without any charges...  Doubt it.   ...And in spite of the occasional violent incident in Ulster, especially around the Twelfth, most of what happens there hardly lingers in the news like incidents involving 'Islamist Terrorism'  However, it probably didn't help, back in the days that Northern Ireland was too much in the news, that official opinions tended to define the same acts with different words depending on the section of the community responsible; I'm thinking terms such as 'terrorists', 'paramilitaries', 'reservists' 'vigilantes', etc. etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
mzakria   10 #155 Posted July 20, 2009 I think polce treat you fairly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...