willman Posted June 24, 2009 Posted June 24, 2009 I said home parenting - not schooling until 4 should be compulsory. Not the same thing - ask stay at home mums. As a qualified teacher and parent of a teacher - we are all total strangers and in reality have little time to care in any depth for all pupils. That includes nursery teachers. They care about the welfare,they are well trained and offer conditional services based on their personal beliefs or the doctrine set down by the school . They are meant to teach not offer parenting.
Jessica23 Posted June 24, 2009 Posted June 24, 2009 I said home parenting - not schooling until 4 should be compulsory. Not the same thing - ask stay at home mums. As a qualified teacher and parent of a teacher - we are all total strangers and in reality have little time to care in any depth for all pupils. That includes nursery teachers. They care about the welfare,they are well trained and offer conditional services based on their personal beliefs or the doctrine set down by the school . They are meant to teach not offer parenting. Sorry, yes, I know you wrote parenting, home schooling in my post was a mistake. But I still don't agree that forcing people to stay at home with their child until it goes to school is the answer to behavioural problems. It just doesn't take into account the fact that lots and lots of good parents don't do that, and their children don't suffer as a result.
espadrille Posted June 25, 2009 Author Posted June 25, 2009 I know that teachers have little time to care in depth but most of the teachers that I have done my sessions with passionately want to be better equipped to understand the behaviour of kids and relish the idea of being more informed. It is the system that often prevents that. One member of a school who came on my course said that the head would 'love to send all staff on this course'Only 2 attended due to the logistics of coming away for half day/day and not being able to have enough staff to cover when they need to take time off. Schools are allocated just 5 days a year for teacher training.This to me seems woefully inadequate. Teachers pass the necessary tests to be qualified as a teacher when they do their teacher training.Like GPs they often dont get formal training in techniques that are researched and become more known to the parents when kids get diagnosis such as dyslexia, dyspraxia, asperger syndrome and adhd. All the money is put in to researching, but none in to after care and support. I guess this will change eventually:(
alchresearch Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 A news report about it here: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/blog/talking_politics/article/41389/ It states: Ofsted issued a warning today about the level of sexualisation among primary school children. It found recently suspended pupils as young as four were guilty of touching other children inappropriately and using sexually graphic language. I don't think this has actually been mentioned on the thread.
Dozy Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 I watched a terribly earnest woman being interviewed on BBC news about this. Her suggestion was that a disruptive child should be removed from the classroom and placed with another teacher for some one-to-one attention. I wondered where she thought schools kept all these "spare" teachers? How many infant/junior have a teacher just sitting around waiting for a difficult child to need their attention? When I was a school governor, I turned up for a meeting with the Head teacher and she was "minding" a 7 year old, who was sitting at a table drawing. The child was violent - attacking other children and the teacher with a chair! The child had suffered an extremely traumatic personal tragedy, which probably explained the behaviour. But the school was left to deal with this as best they could, it was up to them to sort it out, though the child obviously needed some professional help. And what about the other children in the class? What sort of outcry would there have been had the child succeeded in hitting and injuring another child? If you have an extremely disruptive and/or violent child, and lack the resources to deal with it properly, surely you have to balance the needs of the rest of the children in the class with those of the child in question?
irenewilde Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 It is entirely possible for children to be nasty little sods without any background issues for resolution. Some people are simply born with their brains wired wrong and occasionally the course of least harm is their isolation. I have to say I completely agree with that.
irenewilde Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 I have no problem in that but they do need to make time for their children. I have looked after a three year old whose parents have completely forgotten to pick him up on more than one occasion. I'll second that. We've had more than one parent forget to collect their child. And a lot of parents absolutely couldn't care less about what their child is doing. We try to set up all sorts of things - "Please bring anything interesting on this subject from home", fancy dress days, forms for the parents to fill in to tell us what their children particularly like to do - nothing. No forms, nothing from home, fancy dress days completely ignored. After three months of sending home reminder letters about the summer concert and a huge poster in the foyer telling parents when it was taking place, I had one mother come up to me about 3 days beforehand and demand to know why we weren't having a summer concert that year!! She was standing next to the poster at the time. Some parents can't dump their children quick enough before whizzing off to do stuff that is clearly more important to them.
Cat86 Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 a lack of boundaries at home. . For me that just sums it up. My mum works at charnock school and some of the kids are just plain horrible. They dont what they want, when they want, and when many of the parents are questioned, dont really care. One answer the other month when a teacher told one of the parents how bad her kid was her response was 'what are you telling me for'. I dont think alot of kids are brought up the same as they were 10/15 years ago. Theres no respect whatsoever for the teachers. They should be exluded, rather than distrupting the other children.
funkymiss Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 It's sad the effect that one disruptive child can have on 29 others who want to learn. Inclusion works amazingly in many ways, but is a disaster in others.
espadrille Posted June 26, 2009 Author Posted June 26, 2009 It's sad the effect that one disruptive child can have on 29 others who want to learn. Inclusion works amazingly in many ways, but is a disaster in others. I agree. I am trying something out at the moment.It is social skills training. It can be very effective in using drama to teach social skils. There are a few scenarios we can work on.Some subjects can be sensitive, but it has to be managed effectively. It is very hard as has already been said when there are no boundaries at home, but I do think it is all about partnership working. All parties have to be involved and it does mean a lot of time and effort and putting in that work early on is the key to success. What I am surprised at when you look closely at these situations and ask the kids what it felt like when they acted out the scenes, they often do not have the language and know what words to use to describe their feelings. We need to tell them words to desrcribe their emotions and they are more likely to use the words than lash out at kicking objects and people.
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