Ofsted report.Children of age 4 are been excluded from school

[Hallamton]

I know that schools do this (as has been said) as a last resort, but stopping it getting to that point is the most important thing.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

 

I am not sure as to how that incident would be dealt with in schools today. I guess that schools have always excluded kids even when I was at school in the seventies.I cant remember kids so young as 4 being excluded though.

Violence of course is not acceptable.Understanding what is the cause of the violence and taking steps to prevent this happening is the key

 

Prevention is not always as easy as it seems though. First of all you need the support of the parent and child as well as all teaching staff. You then have a multitude of things to do - some of which simly can't be fitted into the life of a teacher who will already have a mountain of work to do.

 

This idea also brings into question the expectations of teaching staff. Teachers already have a lot of work to do and to expect them to give away the time they have left to deal with problems that (arguably) need to be handled outside of school time is a bit much. In this case I think that schools should be actively communicating with social services (and other agencies) to sort out the problem.

 

Understanding violence (and other problems) may be more benefitial for the individual child, but not for every other child in that school. By allowing a violent child to attend the school why you help them out is putting other children at risk - something I don't agree with.

[quicken]

It is entirely possible for children to be nasty little sods without any background issues for resolution. Some people are simply born with their brains wired wrong and occasionally the course of least harm is their isolation.

i cant agree, i think its the parents that wired wrong in most cases and its the parents that need educating.

[espadrille]

Prevention is not always as easy as it seems though. First of all you need the support of the parent and child as well as all teaching staff. You then have a multitude of things to do - some of which simly can't be fitted into the life of a teacher who will already have a mountain of work to do.

 

This idea also brings into question the expectations of teaching staff. Teachers already have a lot of work to do and to expect them to give away the time they have left to deal with problems that (arguably) need to be handled outside of school time is a bit much. In this case I think that schools should be actively communicating with social services (and other agencies) to sort out the problem.

 

Understanding violence (and other problems) may be more benefitial for the individual child, but not for every other child in that school. By allowing a violent child to attend the school why you help them out is putting other children at risk - something I don't agree with.

 

I understand what you mean and this is always a tricky one to deal with.I respect the fact that the teaching staff dont have the time to deal with the issues but putting the time in now can eliminate so many other problems later on ithe school life for many children.

What all kids need to know is that it is unacceptable to behave in a violent way to demonstrate their frustration.It is how that is dealt with that is important.

I agree that it is important to get all other agencies involved, though often with kids with asperger syndrome there may not be any others involved anyway as it doesnt fit in to the learning disability model and doesnt fit in to a priority for social services unless there are child protection issues.

[willman]

i cant agree, i think its the parents that wired wrong in most cases and its the parents that need educating.

 

mmmm, to become an incorrectly wired adult do they not have to be an incorrectly wired younger person first ?.

Is it non corrected behaviour when younger that causes them to be bad parents or bad parenting which causes bad behaviour.

[espadrille]

i cant agree, i think its the parents that wired wrong in most cases and its the parents that need educating.

 

I think that it is everyones responsibility to be honest.Partnership working is important.

[Minimo]

Relationships between teachers and parents are non existent .

 

 

This isn't true in the school I know. Parents are welcomed into the school, and there are numerous initiatives which include parents/carers.

I have no knowledge of secondary schools, but I think most primary/junior schools have similar ideas. So there is no reason for parents to not feel included.

 

I think 'exclusion' may quite often mean internal exclusion, which means the child is removed from normal lessons and given some one-to-one time. Or perhaps not allowed to join the other children in the playground at break times.

[espadrille]

This isn't true in the school I know. Parents are welcomed into the school, and there are numerous initiatives which include parents/carers.

I have no knowledge of secondary schools, but I think most primary/junior schools have similar ideas. So there is no reason for parents to not feel included.

 

I think 'exclusion' may quite often mean internal exclusion, which means the child is removed from normal lessons and given some one-to-one time. Or perhaps not allowed to join the other children in the playground at break times.

Not always. It can mean exclusion away from the school altogether. This is what the ofstead inspectors found, though gmtv didnt say which area they had looked at.

This can cause problems where the parent works and then needs time off to look after the child who has been excluded

[Minimo]

Not always. It can mean exclusion away from the school altogether. This is what the ofstead inspectors found, though gmtv didnt say which area they had looked at.

This can cause problems where the parent works and then needs time off to look after the child who has been excluded

 

 

My exact words were 'may quite often mean'

I am aware total exclusion happens, although I hope it is an absolute last resort.

[dogs4life]

Relationships between teachers and parents are non existent so finding out about social experience the child has is impossible.

 

Parents should spend half an hour with their kids teacher each week to build a relationship and to chart progress.

 

Kipper I agree and after working with younger children both in school and as a childminder, my belief is that some parents desperately need to spend time with their kids to build a relationship first.

[espadrille]

I agree but if they didnt have good role models from their parents and dont feel they cope with their kids well then they need some support to do this.