espadrille Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 There was a debate on GMTV this morning.Ofsted investigations have revealed that children as young as 4 are being excluded from school. A psychologist from Manchester was talking about the impact this would have on children of this age for the rest of their school life. Schools say they would only do this as a last resort. Much of the behaviour that they exhibit comes from a lack of understanding of the issues the children are facing and a lack of boundaries at home.Working in co-operation with the parents will help with this and working to educate the other children in the classroom also helps. Many children with Asperger Syndrome exhibit these behaviours as a result of sensory issues and many schools dont realise this can be a problem. The safety aspect is of course important and the effect on the other children if the behaviour is disruptive, but support and understanding will always be better than exclusion at such an early age.Besides which sending a child home to an environment where they arent getting rules and limitations will only compound the issue if that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willman Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I thought exclusion was bit OTT - until i remembered my reactions when my daughter was bitten during school. How can you stop similar attacks without removal of one party. Perhaps we should think of the impact on the victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espadrille Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 I thought exclusion was bit OTT - until i remembered my reactions when my daughter was bitten during school. How can you stop similar attacks without removal of one party. Perhaps we should think of the impact on the victims. By the school working with the child to better understand that child and also what was the trigger that lead to the behaviour in the first case. Removal can be removal from the class to deal with what happened.Removal from the school can have a big impact at the age of 4. The psychologist on GMTV said she also had been in that situation as her child had been bitten, but it had all been sorted out quickly with the head involved from the outset( she said) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipper Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Relationships between teachers and parents are non existent so finding out about social experience the child has is impossible. Parents should spend half an hour with their kids teacher each week to build a relationship and to chart progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espadrille Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 Relationships between teachers and parents are non existent so finding out about social experience the child has is impossible. Parents should spend half an hour with their kids teacher each week to build a relationship and to chart progress. This would be a good idea. They are always restricted with time though. This is always the major barrier that I have in getting them to take the training. The schools cant release staff as to get in supply teachers is very costly and they have teacher training days booked in advance at the start of the academic year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica23 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 [...]Schools say they would only do this as a last resort. [...] I think they do only do it as a last resort, for the most part. Here's a service in Sheffield designed specifically to support primary aged pupils with inclusion issues: http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/education/services-to-schools/primary-inclusion-support Most LEAs have inclusion teams whose role is to work with young people and headteachers (and year heads, parents, social services, educational psychologists, other agencies as appropriate) to minimise exclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md25 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 It is entirely possible for children to be nasty little sods without any background issues for resolution. Some people are simply born with their brains wired wrong and occasionally the course of least harm is their isolation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espadrille Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 It is entirely possible for children to be nasty little sods without any background issues for resolution. Some people are simply born with their brains wired wrong and occasionally the course of least harm is their isolation. I have to say that I disagree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallamton Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 There was a debate on GMTV this morning.Ofsted investigations have revealed that children as young as 4 are being excluded from school. A psychologist from Manchester was talking about the impact this would have on children of this age for the rest of their school life. Schools say they would only do this as a last resort. Much of the behaviour that they exhibit comes from a lack of understanding of the issues the children are facing and a lack of boundaries at home.Working in co-operation with the parents will help with this and working to educate the other children in the classroom also helps. Many children with Asperger Syndrome exhibit these behaviours as a result of sensory issues and many schools dont realise this can be a problem. The safety aspect is of course important and the effect on the other children if the behaviour is disruptive, but support and understanding will always be better than exclusion at such an early age.Besides which sending a child home to an environment where they arent getting rules and limitations will only compound the issue if that is the case. It's easy to say that but my Mum was headteacher in a primary school about a decade ago where children would bring in kitchen knives from home and would resort to violence if they were in trouble for something. She often couldn't offer support because the child/parent were unwilling to accept it which only left her one choice. In the 10 years that she was a head, the school changed from being in special measures to being one of the best in the county. I don't think she, and the rest of the staff, could have achieved that unless they had excluded a few of the pupils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espadrille Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 It's easy to say that but my Mum was headteacher in a primary school about a decade ago where children would bring in kitchen knives from home and would resort to violence if they were in trouble for something. She often couldn't offer support because the child/parent were unwilling to accept it which only left her one choice. In the 10 years that she was a head, the school changed from being in special measures to being one of the best in the county. I don't think she, and the rest of the staff, could have achieved that unless they had excluded a few of the pupils. I know that schools do this (as has been said) as a last resort, but stopping it getting to that point is the most important thing. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I am not sure as to how that incident would be dealt with in schools today. I guess that schools have always excluded kids even when I was at school in the seventies.I cant remember kids so young as 4 being excluded though. Violence of course is not acceptable.Understanding what is the cause of the violence and taking steps to prevent this happening is the key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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