Berberis Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 I just saw this on the BBC. Armature footage of Iranian protesters chasing off the police. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8111670.stm Let’s hope democracy wins out in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Well if democracy wins out, Ahmadinejad will still have won; just not by the insane margin he awarded himself. No one is saying that Ahmadinejad lost the popular vote (although I doubt many people will be voting for him again after this). I notice none of the police were toting guns - when the Basij are unleashed again that will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenary Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 I just saw this on the BBC. Armature footage of Iranian protesters chasing off the police. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8111670.stm Let’s hope democracy wins out in the end. I can only see it ending very badly- religious zealots in power and a large number of the population who want a modern, polticial leadership who will reform Iran in the world. The reformers will have to go down to the level of the religious zealots and fight tooth and nail if they want power. Iranian TV has already called the protestors 'terrorists' following the Ayatolla's denouncement of them. I sincerly hope they can do it because there is no way the Ayatolla and the President will have a re-count or re-election. If the reformists don't take power now they are going to suffer serious repercussions when this is all over and the world's media isn't interested anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berberis Posted June 21, 2009 Author Share Posted June 21, 2009 Well if democracy wins out, Ahmadinejad will still have won; just not by the insane margin he awarded himself. No one is saying that Ahmadinejad lost the popular vote (although I doubt many people will be voting for him again after this). I notice none of the police were toting guns - when the Basij are unleashed again that will change. You cant say that. No one knows what the real result was. It’s odd how the small parties gained less votes then their membership numbers and why voting was stopped in certain areas ahead of time. Then you can look at the way people were asked to vote, in public, not to mention the voting system. Ahmadinejad was number 1 on the voting sheet, while Mousavi was number 4. Then the voter had to fill in a box with, not the number of the candidate, but another number. Mousavi was 77 and low and behold Ahmadinejad was number 44. So anyone getting confused with this could write the wrong number, 4 and this can in turn be changed to 44 without any problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plekhanov Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Well if democracy wins out, Ahmadinejad will still have won; just not by the insane margin he awarded himself. No one is saying that Ahmadinejad lost the popular vote (although I doubt many people will be voting for him again after this). I notice none of the police were toting guns - when the Basij are unleashed again that will change. Actually lots of people are "saying that Ahmadinejad lost the popular vote" that's rather the point of all the people getting beaten up, gassed, water cannoned and shot by the regimes forces in Iran. Why would the regime have engaged in the risky practice of electoral fraud if their guy won anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Ahmadinejad was (by all reasonable estimates) heading for a narrow victory. There are still millions of Ahmadinejad loyalists, and they all voted. But it was going to be close, and I think that the Ahmadinejad camp decided that rather than risk it they would fix it. So, I agree with Serapis, I can't say that Ahmadinejad would have won, but it was certainly not clear that he was going to lose either. If democracy had prevailed in the first instance, the smart money was on a narrow victory for Ahmadinejad, but with significant gains for the opposition parties. All bets are off now; anyone hoping for a "velvet revolution" will be disappointed, I fear. Bloody reprisals will follow if the protesters don't back down, even if they remain non-violent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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