Its friday,

[Pegasus]

With due respect, there is a major difference between the two, not only did allen have money , he put it into the club.

Stafford however talks the talk, but its all lip service. no backers, no cash, have the Owls fans seen through this ploy, have they not heard the spin, the takeovers etc etc.

Maybe some/many will now vote with their feet.

 

It was not Allens fault your gate fell as low as 15,000 this season, Nor his fault early gates averaged below 18,000. It is not Allens fault your season ticket sales are so poor.

 

You are slightly wrong with the facts here (and we have to be careful about what we say in a public forum):

 

Lee Strafford was appointed to the board with the sole purpose of sorting the clubs business out and to find potential investors. He has started to do this and is slowly bringing the club up to financial speed and in to the 21st centaury.

 

He has never said he will be putting his own money in to the club, in fact he has gone on record to say that the sort of investment that the club is looking for is not in way of the old style chairman (who treat their clubs like little boys' treat their train sets) but via a full time executive who look after every aspect of the clubs business interest negotiating investment on behalf of the shareholders and continually looking for further investment.

 

This takes careful planning in the form of an accurate business plan and tight financial strings.

 

However, Dave Allen was voted in as Chairman via the back door through his consortium electing him.

 

His consortium bought shares at a very knock down price and was hoping to sell them on making a massive profits.

 

It soon became clear that he was out of his depth and had bitten off more than he could chew. When things stated to go wrong he looked for someone to blame: the fans were easy, Wednesdayite other board members, anyone who challenged his authority were dealt with ruthlessly including the team manager

 

Mr Walker was appointed to run the club on a day to day basis and to find ways to save money, but this was at the expense of generating new income and maintaining and developing the fan base.

 

Their solution was to prune the back room staff such as coaching, phisios etc. and to sell off the training ground forgetting that the latter would have to be replaced.

 

If he was really passionate about the club then he would have bought more shares and then take a more controlling roll however in order to avoid this and also avoid stock market regulations; as he had bought the shares at such a knock down price he thought that he could afford to give some away to the owls trust taking his share below the 29% threshold.

 

Sure, he has loaned the club money 2m with interest; although it has been reported that some of these loans weren't costing the club. The main share holder loaning clubs money is not unusual for instance McCabe has reportedly loaned United @ 12m.

 

Allen's Loan was necessary in order to avoid administration, so it was in his own (as well as the clubs) interest as the lot he owned would have gone down the pan including his share holdings.

 

Unfortunately we are now in a situation where the club owe him money and he won't sell his shares until he gets the lot back in the first instance. In affect...lets put it like this...making it difficult for the sale of any shares to go ahead.

 

The club are desperate to sever all ties with Allen and Co.

 

The season ticket holders will not be quick to return it will take more than one season to get them back as MrAllen upset and insulted most. Therefore it was his fault that gates fell.

 

Those bridges will be hard for the club to rebuild. Many will be waiting to see what happens over the summer before committing.

 

I think you will see fans voting with their feet but that won't be away from the club it will be back to it over the next two years.

 

Personally I hope United get promotion because they are a distraction from the main event which is getting us back to the Premiership with the vision to actually win something when we are there not just talk about how much money they are going to make.

 

It’s OK to make money but it’s another thing to actually do something with it.

[crookesey]

With due respect, there is a major difference between the two, not only did allen have money , he put it into the club.

Stafford however talks the talk, but its all lip service. no backers, no cash, have the Owls fans seen through this ploy, have they not heard the spin, the takeovers etc etc.

Maybe some/many will now vote with their feet.

 

It was not Allens fault your gate fell as low as 15,000 this season, Nor his fault early gates averaged below 18,000. It is not Allens fault your season ticket sales are so poor.

 

Will you and your fellow Wednesday haters continue discussing all things Wednesday during Monday's match?

[Paul Blade]

All this "we've sold this many and you've only sold that many" argument is all crap.

 

Blades, just ask yourselves and try and answer honestly how many people would be going to your games and buying season tickets if you were in Wednesday's position and had just gone through the decade we have.

 

If it's too difficult for you, a fairly near comparison would probably be in about 2000, when your fantastic support could only muster up an average of less than 13,000 fans week in week out - and that's when you hadn't even had a bad a time of it as Wednesday have. As the saying goes, where were you when you were s.....

 

Yes we were s..... and we were when we were 20 odd million in debt and had to sell the best players year after year it took us over 10 years to get to where we are now.All due to Kevin McCabe who put in his own money as loans NOT gifts Nor did we at any time like you go into admin. A lot of your 'fans' think it is your God given right to be challenging in the prem /Europe

 

You had longer in the Prem (yes I admit it ) and spent money trying to plug a sinking ship which is why you are in the state you are now

 

Your fans keep going on about your History

But what history do you really have ?

Same as us not a very good one

It seems that the biggest high lite was beating us on the famous Boxing day (to which you celebrate by having a party every year) and doing the double over us this season (to which you released a record to celebrate)

No doubt one of your 'fans' will remind me how many times you won the Champions League/UEFA cup or whatever cup

You may have won things more than us and no doubt we have won more other things more than you

 

But at the end of the day neither of us have a 'history' to shout about

[Pegasus]

Yes we were s..... and we were when we were 20 odd million in debt and had to sell the best players year after year it took us over 10 years to get to where we are now.All due to Kevin McCabe who put in his own money as loans NOT gifts Nor did we at any time like you go into admin. A lot of your 'fans' think it is your God given right to be challenging in the prem /Europe

 

You had longer in the Prem (yes I admit it ) and spent money trying to plug a sinking ship which is why you are in the state you are now

 

Your fans keep going on about your History

But what history do you really have ?

Same as us not a very good one

It seems that the biggest high lite was beating us on the famous Boxing day (to which you celebrate by having a party every year) and doing the double over us this season (to which you released a record to celebrate)

No doubt one of your 'fans' will remind me how many times you won the Champions League/UEFA cup or whatever cup

You may have won things more than us and no doubt we have won more other things more than you

 

But at the end of the day neither of us have a 'history' to shout about

 

See for yourself:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_United_F_C_records

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_Wednesday_F_C_records

 

The only thing it doesn't mention for Wednesday is FA and League cup Runners up in 1993 but I'm sure you can remember when that happend?

[Paul Blade]

See for yourself:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_United_F_C_records

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_Wednesday_F_C_records

 

The only thing it doesn't mention for Wednesday is FA and League cup Runners up in 1993 but I'm sure you can remember when that happend?

 

Right

 

Wendy

FA Cup Winners 3 times

 

Football league 1st div Champions 4 times

 

Charity shield 1

 

League cup winners 1

 

Us

FA cup 4 times

 

Football league 1st div Champions 1 time

 

proves what I said in my post neither of us has a great history

[wemblybound]

All this "we've sold this many and you've only sold that many" argument is all crap.

 

Blades, just ask yourselves and try and answer honestly how many people would be going to your games and buying season tickets if you were in Wednesday's position and had just gone through the decade we have.

 

If it's too difficult for you, a fairly near comparison would probably be in about 2000, when your fantastic support could only muster up an average of less than 13,000 fans week in week out - and that's when you hadn't even had a bad a time of it as Wednesday have. As the saying goes, where were you when you were s.....

 

bloody hell cp. dont play the poor old poor old old. with us. as you keep telling us we've never won owt. we went down to division 4. we sold our best players year in year out. our chairman was being chased across the world by interpol. a ladyboy tried to buy us. we had a 3 sided ground for a season or two cos the builders wer'nt getting paid. in my time we.ve played in 3 fa cup semis pigs, arsenal, newcastle and lost lost lost. league cup semi final liverpool lost. 2 play off finals palace and wolves lost and lost again. but still 37,000 are paying more than you've ever paid to watch a game and travel more in hope than in expectancy.

 

you are in the mire your in because you chased the dream paying big fees and wages to the likes of waddle, carbone, hinchcliffe, walker, dicanio, but still could'nt live with the big boys. fans like you are now having to pay the price whilst the glory hunters make excuse after excuse why they cant go. working, poorly wife, hollidays etc etc

but if the glory days came back they would all be back on the band waggon singing wendy till we die lol.

 

i agree with a lot you post on here cp but your line

 

and that's when you hadn't even had a bad a time of it as Wednesday have. As the saying goes, where were you when you were s.....

 

makes you look an idiot. that i dont think you are by the way.

 

i was there when we were s*** mate and still am.

[al_partridge]

bloody hell cp. dont play the poor old poor old old. with us. as you keep telling us we've never won owt. we went down to division 4. we sold our best players year in year out. our chairman was being chased across the world by interpol. a ladyboy tried to buy us. we had a 3 sided ground for a season or two cos the builders wer'nt getting paid. in my time we.ve played in 3 fa cup semis pigs, arsenal, newcastle and lost lost lost. league cup semi final liverpool lost. 2 play off finals palace and wolves lost and lost again. but still 37,000 are paying more than you've ever paid to watch a game and travel more in hope than in expectancy.

 

you are in the mire your in because you chased the dream paying big fees and wages to the likes of waddle, carbone, hinchcliffe, walker, dicanio, but still could'nt live with the big boys. fans like you are now having to pay the price whilst the glory hunters make excuse after excuse why they cant go. working, poorly wife, hollidays etc etc

but if the glory days came back they would all be back on the band waggon singing wendy till we die lol.

 

i agree with a lot you post on here cp but your line

 

and that's when you hadn't even had a bad a time of it as Wednesday have. As the saying goes, where were you when you were s.....

 

makes you look an idiot. that i dont think you are by the way.

 

i was there when we were s*** mate and still am.

 

 

Wembleyboundbloke (and Paul Blade above) - you both seem to have ignored or misunderstood the entire point of my post. Your lot are going on about your great support, mocking Wednesday's recent gates, so my genuine question to you was how many fans would you be getting if you'd been through the mire for a decade like Wednesday have - which you didn't answer (or more likely knew the answer but didn't want to say).

 

I've never said that United haven't gone through bad times, of course they have. The reference to your gates in 2000 was probably the nearest modern day comparison possible of what Wednesday have been through in the last 10 years, i.e. several seasons of struggle. And your average home gate was under 13k, far lower than Wednesday have had recently - yet you still compare like for like attendances now when it's clearly not a level playing field. Your team is currently superior, and your gates are too which even the most blinkered of you (with possibly a couple of exceptions from your dimmer posters on here) know is due to keeping hold of your bandwagon jumpers from your Prem season - and McCabe has played a blinder with his marketing to keep hold of them. I said "you hadn't had as bad a time of it" purely because as of that time you'd only had 6 seasons outside he Prem, all in the Championship, whereas Wednesday have so far had 9 seasons away and even dropped to league one for a couple of years.

 

You can go off on as many tangents as you like, we all know the reasons why Wednesday are where they are, but the simple point I was making was that it's ridiculous to crow about 3 years of attendances when the two sides have had such contrasting fortunes in that time. The bigger picture, as proven by historical facts since the year dot, is that Wednesday have always had a slightly bigger core fanbase and United have only had the bigger gates when they've been doing well. Prime example - your team challenging for promotion to the Premiership was for two years in a row getting smaller gates than their neighbours suffering in league one. Your gates have only been higher since you actually got to the Premiership, makes perfect sense but you (not all of you) seem to have such complexes about Wednesday that you need to crow about it constantly.

[Paul Blade]

seem to have such complexes about Wednesday that you need to crow about it constantly.

 

No where in any of my posts have I crowed about you only if posters keep putting up the same crap time after time

I am old enough to remember standing on your cop in my Benny hat and scarf without getting killed As were Wednesday fans on the Utd. kop

 

Then the cretins/morons/braindeads call it what you like came

 

Over the years I think I have been to more games at your ground than a lot of your own fans 150+ with family and friends

Both teams have been in the deep brown smelly stuff and may be in it again

just had a text about a thread I started about Shrewsbury not a word about us or you lo and behold within 4 posts the same old rhetoric about united have started Who was the first? a certain mr al partridge

so please don't start the its always us who start going on about things

[wemblybound]

Wembleyboundbloke (and Paul Blade above) - you both seem to have ignored or misunderstood the entire point of my post. Your lot are going on about your great support, mocking Wednesday's recent gates, so my genuine question to you was how many fans would you be getting if you'd been through the mire for a decade like Wednesday have - which you didn't answer (or more likely knew the answer but didn't want to say).

 

I've never said that United haven't gone through bad times, of course they have. The reference to your gates in 2000 was probably the nearest modern day comparison possible of what Wednesday have been through in the last 10 years, i.e. several seasons of struggle. And your average home gate was under 13k, far lower than Wednesday have had recently - yet you still compare like for like attendances now when it's clearly not a level playing field. Your team is currently superior, and your gates are too which even the most blinkered of you (with possibly a couple of exceptions from your dimmer posters on here) know is due to keeping hold of your bandwagon jumpers from your Prem season - and McCabe has played a blinder with his marketing to keep hold of them. I said "you hadn't had as bad a time of it" purely because as of that time you'd only had 6 seasons outside he Prem, all in the Championship, whereas Wednesday have so far had 9 seasons away and even dropped to league one for a couple of years.

 

You can go off on as many tangents as you like, we all know the reasons why Wednesday are where they are, but the simple point I was making was that it's ridiculous to crow about 3 years of attendances when the two sides have had such contrasting fortunes in that time. The bigger picture, as proven by historical facts since the year dot, is that Wednesday have always had a slightly bigger core fanbase and United have only had the bigger gates when they've been doing well. Prime example - your team challenging for promotion to the Premiership was for two years in a row getting smaller gates than their neighbours suffering in league one. Your gates have only been higher since you actually got to the Premiership, makes perfect sense but you (not all of you) seem to have such complexes about Wednesday that you need to crow about it constantly.

 

 

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