Ecstacy, class A- are politicians mad?

[Smithster 10]

If you can have a good time without it why would you bother?

 

I like to spend my spare time watching TV, or films, or listening to music, or swimming, or walking, or cycling, or socialising with friends. By your logic, should I give these things up due to being able to have a good time without them?

 

I still suggest that if you need drugs you have a problem.

 

On this point we are in total agreement. In fact, I doubt anybody who has contributed to this thread would disagree with you. But despite everything that has been posted so far, you are still utterly incapable of differentiating between recreational drug use and drug abuse/addiction.

 

Oh and by the way, we are STILL waiting for you to comment on your own use of unethically traded products.

[Bago 10]

I like to spend my spare time watching TV, or films, or listening to music, or swimming, or walking, or cycling, or socialising with friends. By your logic, should I give these things up due to being able to have a good time without them?

 

On this point we are in total agreement. In fact, I doubt anybody who has contributed to this thread would disagree with you. But despite everything that has been posted so far, you are still utterly incapable of differentiating between recreational drug use and drug abuse/addiction.

 

Oh and by the way, we are STILL waiting for you to comment on your own use of unethically traded products.

I think you are simplifying this too easily. I do not know about you, but in my mind, addiction does not necessarily mean the kind of drug user who have shakes in their hands, nor does it mean that it is the kind of addiction which your body physically craves. (When you use heroin, say.) A lot of the materials in those links provide a very good picture as to what happens to you, and how it affects you psychologically too. The psychological addiction.

 

To be honest, the argument is that, how can the person know that they are in control, when in fact that the drug which they are taking actually messes with their brains' chemistry? They are not in control.

 

Did you see the posted links about cannabis? Who said that it was not psychologically addictive? Did you also read the one about the guy who used a large number of Es, under a few years, and how it affected him?

 

Did you also read the extract on Frank's website about Es? Your body changes, and it affects your biological function. Dehydration, dysfunctional to body organs, and then an inability to socialise because your confidence is only based on when you use the drug. For some people, even if it is not physically addictive, it is psychologically addictive. The feeling that it gives you makes you crave for that same feeling again. When in reality, this kind of feeling cannot be generated by real life. Or perceived to be unable to do. So you end up perpetuating the usage, and therefore it becomes an addiction. When you continually wanting to crave for that again, I would call it has become an addiction. When you enter normal life again, exactly how will you cope?

 

When I read that, it just made me sad. Because it meant that people cannot even relate to each other as humans in a loving way, without these kind of "love drugs". Which says a lot about their own lives that they are living. Exactly how do you turn on emotions by popping a pill? Do you not think that there are underlying issues to be addressed if you need to pop an E so often?

Edited March 23, 2009 by Bago

[Cyclone 10]

If you can have a good time without it why would you bother?

 

I still suggest that if you need drugs you have a problem.

 

This logic has already been shown to be deeply flawed.

Is the only way you can stay in the discussion to ignore counter points as if they were never made?

[Cyclone 10]

I think you are simplifying this too easily. I do not know about you, but addiction does not mean the kind of drug user who have shakes in their hands. Nor does it mean that it is the kind of addiction which your body physically craves. (When you use heroin, say.) A lot of the materials in those links provide a very good picture as to what happens to you, and how it affects you psychologically.

 

To be honest, the argument is that, how can the person know that they are in control, when in fact that the drug which they are taking actually messes with their brains' chemistry? They are not in control.

Arrrrgghhh, maybe I'm not in control and the glass of wine next to me has bent my mind beyond all recognition.

Or maybe the line 'drugs are bad m'kay' is loosing it's power when you repeat it without any justification or thought behind it.

 

Did you see the posted links about cannabis? Who said that it was not psychologically addictive? Did you also read the one about the guy who used a large number of Es, under a few years, and how it affected him?

 

Did you also read the extract on Frank's website about Es? Your body changes, and it affects your biological function. Dehydration, dysfunctional to body organs, and then an inability to socialise because your confidence is only based on when you use the drug. For some people, even if it is not physically addictive, it is psychologically addictive. The feeling that it gives you makes you crave for that same feeling again. When in reality, this kind of feeling cannot be generated by real life. Or perceived to be unable to do. So you end up perpetuating the usage, and therefore it becomes an addiction. When you continually wanting to crave for that again, I would call it has become an addiction. When you enter normal life again, exactly how will you cope?

 

When I read that, it just made me sad. Because it meant that people cannot even relate to each other as humans in a loving way, without these kind of "love drugs". Which says a lot about their own lives that they are living. Exactly how do you turn on emotions by popping a pill? Do you not think that there are underlying issues to be addressed if you need to pop an E so often?

 

and then a long diatribe based on ignorance. Still ticking all the boxes I see.

[Bago 10]

I don't know if that was supposed to be funny but I really was.

 

You really was funny? Have you had too much sun or something and the heat is getting to your head?

[Cyclone 10]

You really was funny? Have you had too much sun or something and the heat is getting to your head?

 

He's high on his non illegal drugs. It's okay though, no one died to supply them.

[chem1st 10]

Maybe but only if we are lucky and they start using their brains.

 

I'm only happy that I have moved to a country where it is only seen in larger cities and they shoot the dealers.

Someone got pinched this morning bringing E into the country.

Nicked red handed so that means he's in front of a 12 man firing squad after conviction.

 

He looked a bit miffed on the news this morning sat in the cop shop with the drigs on the table in front of him.

He knows what awaits.

The idea is that others will see it and think something like "bugger that for a game of soldiers".

Having said that not may here are interested in drugs. It's just not the culture. Drugs are seen as for the stupid. I happen to agree.

 

If the punishment is death for a drug dealer, a drug dealer is going to be more likely to attempt to kill a copper than hand himself in.

[Smithster 10]

When I read that, it just made me sad. Because it meant that people cannot even relate to each other as humans in a loving way, without these kind of "love drugs". Which says a lot about their own lives that they are living. Exactly how do you turn on emotions by popping a pill? Do you not think that there are underlying issues to be addressed if you need to pop an E so often?

 

Sorry Bago, but this is utter nonsense. Are you suggesting that anybody who has, on occasion, taken ecstasy cannot feel anything when they are not under the influence? That is what it seems like to me, and it is a complete and utter fallacy.

[Bago 10]

Sorry Bago, but this is utter nonsense. Are you suggesting that anybody who has, on occasion, taken ecstasy cannot feel anything when they are not under the influence? That is what it seems like to me, and it is a complete and utter fallacy.

 

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that, if someone has to take drugs to feel a certain way to begin with, then it means that they lack this kind of feeling before taking the drug. So which means that without the drug, then they cannot relate to each other in the same context. This is kind of sad if you think about it.

 

It is common to say that, drinking will make you lose your inhibition, and should we use Es the same way? Have you not ever thought about why do we need to drink in order to be more confident? I am just saying that, it is not necessary.

[*_ash_* 88]

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that, if someone has to take drugs to feel a certain way to begin with, then it means that they lack this kind of feeling before taking the drug. So which means that without the drug, then they cannot relate to each other in the same context. This is kind of sad if you think about it.

has to.. (on the same lines as Wath's earlier post) that's the key to your post here Bago. To compare to alcohol as you do in the next bit. Most people don't have to drink to have a good time, but they can choose to have a drink, because it's relaxing and pleasant (for some).

It is common to say that, drinking will make you lose your inhibition, and should we use Es the same way? Have you not ever thought about why do we need to drink in order to be more confident? I am just saying that, it is not necessary.

Not necessarily no. If I go to town in the day, I choose coffee, at work tea, in a pub or at home, a drink (alc), in a club people may choose a pill.

 

To answer your earlier question, no I'm not a user.

[upinwath 10]

I can have a good time with my eyes shut. Using this logic, should I gouge my eyes out?

 

But closing your eyes isn't very dangerous to you or anyone else.

 

Well, unless you are driving at a ton up down the M1 that is.

[upinwath 10]

I won't argue with that.

 

Ah, a common point of view.

 

See even a drug user too ashamed to admit his own addiction can see some sense.

 

Anyway I'm just here to open my Internet cafe and test the connection.

Now the staff have arrived I'm off to Jogjakarta.

It's a two hour run so I need a clear mind.

 

Another bonus of not boozing or being a stoner is that you never have to worry if you are safe to drive or not.