Ecstacy, class A- are politicians mad?

[Cyclone 10]

Really? Then why sprout rubbish to compare it with your everyday over the counter drugs? Cos the two is not the same, and are in different category. One is monitored as a global illicit drug, which UK is a part of the UN agreement to monitor. How is that the same as comparing something which is over the counter, or even pure MDMA, which is used within controlled environments and within hospitals for treatments? So are you suggesting that individuals are now their own doctors and pharmacists and should prescribe pills to diagnose themselves and treat themselves?

Does it make a difference to you if you die from an aspirin induced bleed or some ecstasy related complication? Does the legality actually make aspirin any safer?

 

From what you previously posted, you seemed to think that the two should be one and the same, when in reality, the two is different. There is no way that MDMA will be legalised, with the government's approval on that. So I would suggest and advocate individuals to think why this is not happening, and at least hope in my mind that they at least abide by the laws!

Is that the best you can do. We discuss why keeping it class A is a mistake and you can only refer back the fact that it's illegal to justify your position?

 

I am also saddened to find those articles about kids pushing drugs in schools already. What do you say to that?

Viagra, yes, that made me cry into my coffee. Tears of laughter.

[Bago 10]

Well he's citing other drugs for comparison purposes. Upinwath was doing it (seemingly) out of blind ignorance and deperate failure to concede that we won't all agree with his incredibly simplistic and innacurate opinions and answers.

 

I don't have faith in those in charge with regards to this issue because they are politicians. Not doctors. They (the government) clearly don't care about our welfare that much or they'd ban smoking.

 

As I have said very early on in this thread, there has been action taken to curb drinking, smoking, and drugs. So why should the drug classification not be looked into, even if it means to remain the status quo, until such a time that there is stronger monitoring and scientific method to produce better data before decision? As currently, so many people keep saying that it is harmless, or imply that it is harmless do not have any solid scientific facts to get it declassified either! I have questioned that from so many posters, and I do not see a single solid evidence which should sway it that way. All they have done is challenged what has been put forward to them. I do not see them putting facts forward. I personally do not want to to see any laws changed on heresay.

[Phanerothyme 12]

There has been action taken to curb drinking and smoking. The action to curb smoking is really working, the action taken on alcohol has been unsuccessful, and is being refined.

 

Traditionally the best ways to curb activities is to tax them. England more or less halted the gin epidemic in the 18th century using tax as a blunt instrument.

 

It's not a perfect way of regulating behaviour, but it is a way - but it cannot be applied to illegal drugs.

 

You cannot tax illegal drugs.

[Phanerothyme 12]

Here, do you want one of my sleeping pills? I think overdosing and numbing yourself is good. Don't kill yourself over it.

 

Something lighthearted from a different thread.

[Bago 10]

Something lighthearted from a different thread.

 

Are you my stalker?

[Halibut 12]

Are you my stalker?

 

He only just beat me to it - I like a bit of irony on a Sunday afternoon.....

[Phanerothyme 12]

He only just beat me to it - I like a bit of irony on a Sunday afternoon.....

I don't think Bago meant it, so it's not quite irony, but I thought it was worth including.

[TeaFan 10]

Druggie. It's all the fault of prohibition. It's not my fault 6000 people died in Mexico for my enjoyment of coke. Opium based drugs don't help terrorists kill British soldiers, My mate said so.

And many other total bull rants.

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Over 400 posts in, and you still haven't worked out that THIS THREAD IS ABOUT ECSTASY

 

Which hasn't contributed to 6000 deaths in Mexico, or funded terrorism in Afghanistan, as far as I know.

 

I think cocaine is a Bad Thing, because of what it does to people, and because of the deforestation which takes place in order to produce it, and because of the violence in the supply chain.

 

I think heroin is a Bad Thing, because of what it does to people, and because the supply is associated with the Taliban.

 

I don't think Ecstasy is a Bad Thing, because apart from a very small percentage, it doesn't do bad things to people, and there is no evidence (at least none that you've been able to find) that there are significant social problems associated with the supply chain.

 

But you just can't see it, because as far as you are concerned, there is only one drug, called "Drugs".

 

Someone died from a drug? Which drug? Oh, you know, Drugs.

 

Lots of money is spent on prescribed alternatives to street drugs. Which drugs? Well, you know, just Drugs.

 

Some very nasty people make lots of money from the supply of drugs? Which ones? The ones called Drugs.

[upinwath 10]

It may well be but the point of the job is that a person who gets his fun from a chemical is the same as any other.

 

Try life without drugs. Far better and no bugger gets killed.

[upinwath 10]

The thing that many of the pro E lobby also make is that their drug of choice does not have the supply effects that such as coke does.

What they miss ro ignore is that it's often the same dealers doing both so it's still a non starter of a point.

 

https://www.surrey.police.uk/media/news_item.asp?area=12&itemID=11060

Two men have been charged after Surrey Police officers seized 100,000 Ecstasy tablets following an operation to disrupt the supply of Class A drugs in the county.

......Mark Leeson, 23, from Sandhurst, Berkshire has since been charged with conspiracy to supply cocaine

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/top-dog-ecstasy-dealer-gets-16-years-1521168.html

A drugs baron who tried to flood the capital's streets with nearly a million ecstasy tablets was jailed for 16 years today. ...............

Bird also pleaded guilty to possessing cocaine with intent to supply as well as four further counts of possession of cannabis, cocaine and ecstasy.

 

The argument sort of fades when you work out that it's the same dealers.

[*_ash_* 88]

It may well be but the point of the job is that a person who gets his fun from a chemical is the same as any other.

You're right. Who wants fun, enjoyment and inhibition, with little chance of any adverse effects, when taxed alcohol is available, and with no prison sentence, even though I have posted much evidence to the cost of the country.

 

Try life without drugs. Far better and no bugger gets killed.

You could be right. If everyone abstained from any drug, then there could be a perfect world. The poor buggers who are getting killled (still waiting for you or Bago to show some evidence with E, but you can't, and Bago has me on ignore) would be involved in some other criminal activity, to earn their sterling/dollar.

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[*_ash_* 88]

The thing that many of the pro E lobby also make is that their drug of choice does not have the supply effects that such as coke does.

What they miss ro ignore is that it's often the same dealers doing both so it's still a non starter of a point.

 

https://www.surrey.police.uk/media/news_item.asp?area=12&itemID=11060

 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/top-dog-ecstasy-dealer-gets-16-years-1521168.html

 

 

The argument sort of fades when you work out that it's the same dealers.

Both quotes. What a waste of police time and money.

 

The argument doesn't fade away at all. It's the same dealers because there is so much money in it!

 

And clamping down, just fuels higher prices, higher risks to the traffickers, so higher prices for consumers in the case of a lot of drugs, but not E.