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OOOh, very nice pick nick2. Another example of modern and old working well together.

 

Actually Toronto is one of the nicest "modern" cities I've ever been to, there is a good mix of old (for Canada) and new:

The art colege

http://www.toronto.ca/auda/images/sharp_500x333.jpg

 

The ROM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Royal_Ontario_Museum.jpg/800px-Royal_Ontario_Museum.jpg

 

The stock exchange

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Toronto_Stock_Exchange.jpg/800px-Toronto_Stock_Exchange.jpg

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Blatant plug of one of my own pics showing old and new contrast :)

 

Leadenhall Street

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Why do you think that a different opinion to yours is an inferior opinion?

 

Because I don't have opinions. I leave that for other people who blindly follow the latest trendy ideas or fashions because they haven't learnt the process of what it takes to like something because they like it rather than saying they like something just to fit in with a certain socio-economic group which gives them some kind of psuedo-kudos amongst their peers or, in the case of many so called architects/engineers, financial reward.

I deal with facts. The facts being that most humans want to beautify their surroundings and throughout history have done this to their buildings by adorning them with the most amazingly variable amount of ornamentation and decoration both inside and out. This is something that resonates throughout every culture that has existed throughout history and right up to the present day. From the wonderful and intricate artwork on the Teepees of the nomadic indigenous american Indians to the splendour of the Taj Mahal. From the ornate ice structures of the Enuit living in the harshest of climates around the Arctic circle to Gaudi's brilliantly fluid architectural style in Barcelona, a city that regularly tops the polls of the best european city to visit.

Hmmm......now I wonder if that's because of the large number of skyscrapers in Barcelona.

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://mugur.nomadlife.org/uploaded_images/BarcelonaFromAir-759514.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mugur.nomadlife.org/&usg=__djzP5J1wVHJJ0OOWMZzTheY65Lw=&h=1200&w=1600&sz=371&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=IJlkYi_ws8HZyM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbarcelona%2Bair%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff

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Barcelona, a city that regularly tops the polls of the best european city to visit.

Hmmm......now I wonder if that's because of the large number of skyscrapers in Barcelona.

 

Nope, it's because all the European airlines do very cheap flights there, about £20 each way.

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Because I don't have opinions.

 

You're having a laugh. You're post are full of opinions you've just deluded yourself into think they are facts.

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... to Gaudi's brilliantly fluid architectural style in Barcelona, a city that regularly tops the polls of the best european city to visit.

Hmmm......now I wonder if that's because of the large number of skyscrapers in Barcelona.

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://mugur.nomadlife.org/uploaded_images/BarcelonaFromAir-759514.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mugur.nomadlife.org/&usg=__djzP5J1wVHJJ0OOWMZzTheY65Lw=&h=1200&w=1600&sz=371&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=IJlkYi_ws8HZyM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbarcelona%2Bair%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff

 

Let me just list all the buildings (in and around Barcelona) which are taller then the St Pauls Tower:

 

Torre de Collserola - Height (mtrs) - 288.8

Sagrada Família - Height (mtrs) - 172

Hotel Arts - Height (mtrs) - 154

Torre Mapfre - Height (mtrs) - 154

Torre La Sagrera - Height (mtrs) - 148

Torre Agbar - Height (mtrs) - 144.44

Montjuïc Tower - Height (mtrs) - 136

Habitat Sky - Height (mtrs) - 120

Torre Fira II - Height (mtrs) - 119

Torre Fira I - Height (mtrs) - 118

Building Diagonal 00 - Height (mtrs) - 110

Hotel Catalonia - Height (mtrs) - 110

Edifici Colom - Height (mtrs) - 110

Hotel Princess BCN - Height (mtrs) - 109

Torre Jaume I - Height (mtrs) - 107

Hotel Hesperia Bellvitge - Height (mtrs) - 106

Tower Invisa - Height (mtrs) - 104

Tower Banif - Height (mtrs) - 104

Tower Mar-i-Cel - Height (mtrs) - 104

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_and_structures_in_Barcelona

 

Sheffield's St Pauls Tower - Height (mtrs) - 101

Ref: http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=1884

 

How do you like them apples?

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Well done to keeping the northfield lads in their job

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... to Gaudi's brilliantly fluid architectural style in Barcelona, a city that regularly tops the polls of the best european city to visit.

Hmmm......now I wonder if that's because of the large number of skyscrapers in Barcelona.

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://mugur.nomadlife.org/uploaded_images/BarcelonaFromAir-759514.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mugur.nomadlife.org/&usg=__djzP5J1wVHJJ0OOWMZzTheY65Lw=&h=1200&w=1600&sz=371&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=IJlkYi_ws8HZyM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbarcelona%2Bair%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff

 

We can all play this game too pininsho, but I will be less selective.

 

Here are some pictures of tall buildings in Barcelona in with the old traditional buildings too. Shock horror!

 

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona57.JPG

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona03.JPG

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona10.JPG

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona22.JPG

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona25.JPG

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona65.JPG

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona28.JPG

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona38.JPG

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona47.JPG

 

I can’t be bothered to link anymore because my point has been made and your credibility has been shot with your latest rant.

 

Here is a link to the site: http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona.htm knock yourself out!

 

You obviously have never been to Barcelona and know very little about building design. Your attempts at sounding as though you knew what you are talking about, appears to be little more than a copy and paste from someone else.

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We can all play this game too pininsho, but I will be less selective.

 

Here are some pictures of tall buildings in Barcelona in with the old traditional buildings too. Shock horror!

 

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona57.JPG

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona03.JPG

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona10.JPG

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona22.JPG

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona25.JPG

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona65.JPG

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona28.JPG

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona38.JPG

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona47.JPG

 

I can’t be bothered to link anymore because my point has been made and your credibility has been shot with your latest rant.

 

Here is a link to the site: http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/barcelona.htm knock yourself out!

 

You obviously have never been to Barcelona and know very little about building design. Your attempts at sounding as though you knew what you are talking about, appears to be little more than a copy and paste from someone else.

 

:hihi::hihi: Oh dear. Who's going on a rant now serapis.:P

In case you hadn't noticed and because you've been sat avidly looking at your computer screen for most of the day waiting for me to respond you've failed to notice that I implied, 'people don't go to Barcelona for the large number of skyscrapers. What I didn't say (which you seem to think I suggested) was that Barcelona doesn't have any skyscrapers.

For a city that has 3 times the population of Sheffield the number of skyscrapers are relatively small and that's not just me saying it. Here's what it says on the link that you provided which, unsurprisingly enough, once again, proves me right and you totally way off the mark!

 

'Barcelona, the capital of Catalonia and second biggest urban area in Spain in terms of both size and population, still remains a city without many tall structures, partly due to the protected status of most of its central area — Eixample.

 

Even so, the recent trend in architecture in recent years has been promoting the construction of high-rise buildings as part of a wider modernisation plan that has been taking place since 1992, the year the Olympic games were held in Barcelona.

 

The second tallest structure in the city is incidentally a world-famous religious building (Sagrada Família) that happens to be unfinished.'

 

Notice how, unlike Sheffield, it's central area is protected (similar to Paris) which I think you'll find is what I've been going on about in my previous posts.

So who's credibility is shot now serapis?;)

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For the last time I am nothing to do with planning of any sort! Just because I disagree with you doesn’t mean I have any vested interest in the project. My only interest is seeing a quality building go up in a city that desperately needs modernisation in order to compete, while you seem intent on keeping Sheffield back because YOU don’t like big cities.

 

I love big cities but Sheffield isn't one, will never be one and certainly shoudn't pretend to be one or it will end up being a bigger joke than a lot of outsiders already think it is (which is not what I think BTW just in case you try and misrepresent me).

 

Now back to the shadow debate. Shadows lengthen and contract over the course of a day. In summer these shadows will be short enough to only affect the buildings directly adjacent to the St Pauls tower. They will not be over the winter gardens. Only in mid winter will the shadows possibly be long enough to come close, but due to our cloudy environment in the winter months they will only rarely affect the site!

 

As my background is art/design, photography and science (mainly physics and Biology) if there's one thing I don't need to be told is that shadows are longer in winter than they are in summer.:rolleyes:

 

 

We all know you don’t like the tower pininsho, but some of us are getting bored with your insistent bitching and whining about it. Get used to it, get over yourself and understand that your point of view is not something others should be forced to adhere to, or have to listen to over and over again for that matter.

 

Good to see I'm pressing all the right buttons serapis.:thumbsup:

But as you're somebody who, from your statement below, is obviously concerned about the democratic process then I'm sure you'll understand when I say that I will continue to rubbish a rubbish building and take every opportunity to get the eyesore removed irrespective of how long it takes.

 

The tower is here, it was agreed by democratically elected representatives and whether you like it or not, it’s not going anywhere for a long, long time so you may as well try to make the best out of the situation.

 

I can assure you it won't be around for very long.;)

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