Clifflad   10 #13 Posted October 27, 2008 I find East Europian workers are better qualifide and will work for a competative wage. Perhaps people are more interested in working when they have no dole payments. In my opinion miinimum wage should be scrapped and people compete for jobs , this will make UK more competative. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b   441 #14 Posted October 27, 2008 If people don't like the pay on offer, don't work there - simple!  It's nowhere near that simple, unfortunately.  This logic only perpetuates exploitation (...of people who have no choice but to take such jobs, at £1 an hour or whatever other stupidly low rate). It took long enough to get rid of exploitative employment T&Cs in the first place (even though I'm sure it's still doing well in these parts, on the back illegals, e.g. cockle-picking Chineses ).  In that context, EDIT @ the Troll: East Europeans are no better qualified, however they have a lesser employment negotiation threshold - they just want a job, any job (for lack thereof in their home place - although that's been changing fast in the last year) to make a quick buck before returning home with pockets full of cash. That's not a criticism -they graft for it, good on them- just a statement of their end game (of most, maybe not all of them of course). I've seen it at the coalface in Ireland (South) for the past few years: as soon as the economy sneezed earlier this year, half a million EEs went back home on the next Ryanair flight or to the UK on the next ferry.  I'm as pro-capitalist as the next Gordon Gekko, but favorising the emergence of local sweatshops through the abolishment of minimum wages is not going to solve "the problem" at all. And certainly not going to bootstrap consumer spending (which is, at its core, the main fuel for the UK economy): I can't exactly see a £1 an hour warehouse picker going out to buy a PS3 or a 40" LCD, never mind splash out on a slap-up meal every other weekend or a facial at the local beautician  I'd rather UK plc keeps steering towards a nation of thinkers and designers living on license royalties, than 'fall back' on feudal/Victorian employment terms and conditions (from which we'll only have to claw back up), 'ta very much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
cloza1991   10 #15 Posted October 27, 2008 The only issuse I have with Minimum wage is that why should a 20 year old get so much less than a 22 year old. Its even worse for people even younger. We employ people from 17 upwards and everyone does the same job for the same money - companies that pay people the lower minimum rate are jsut greedy. For example I know of people that have applied for jobs and been told (at 22 ) they are too old as the shop wanted to save that extra £1.20 per hour - how tight is that for a high street chain!!?    There are different minimum wages because for example im 17, a full time student on £4.86 an hour and don't have to pay tax until im 18, but then my wage rises to £5.87. If everyone was on the same wage from the age of 16-17 then you'd be complaining about under 18's not paying tax as you'd be earning less. It more or less works out the same. I don't know why theres a different one for 18-21 yr olds though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
andyofborg   11 #16 Posted October 27, 2008  Troll. Don't feed him.  the heavy rain over the weekend flushed him out from under his bridge  america has a minimum wage law which is set at a feredal level and many individual states have minimum wage laws too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
cloza1991   10 #17 Posted October 27, 2008 I went 2 America a few weeks ago and a woman in a diner said she was only on $1.50 an hour!!! Thats like less than £1!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Clifflad   10 #18 Posted October 27, 2008 I always notice the countries with dole payments have workers who can be choosy and stand on the high ground about all aspects of pay and moral responsibilities. Most have no idea of the real world.  Why should British workers come first in line for a job here. Let employers choose and lets abandon this mimimum wage rubbish. Best person working for a global economy wage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
banjodeano   28 #19 Posted October 27, 2008 I find East Europian workers are better qualifide and will work for a competative wage. Perhaps people are more interested in working when they have no dole payments. In my opinion miinimum wage should be scrapped and people compete for jobs , this will make UK more competative.  I think you are living in the victorian times, i think you would hsve made an ideal cotton mill owner, why pay an adult wage when you can get a 7year old boy under the machine to clean it, i also bet that you are anti union as well, its a very selfish point of view that you have, but I suppose that you are fortunate enough to be one of those that does not rely on the minimum wage, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b   441 #20 Posted October 27, 2008 (I'm really trying not to feed, but the lure, oh the lure... )  Hang on a sec' - in your sentence: Why should British workers come first in line for a job here. Let employers choose and lets abandon this mimimum wage rubbish. Best person working for a global economy wage.  ... for my personal edification, can you please tell me what's the link or logic between: Why should British workers come first in line for a job here. and: Let employers choose and lets abandon this mimimum wage rubbish. Best person working for a global economy wage.? Since when do Brits only benefit from minimum wage in the UK? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Titanic99 Â Â 10 #21 Posted October 27, 2008 I wish David "I agree with what Gordon says" Cameron would put this in his manifesto, as it is a sure way of losing the million or so votes from those who have benefitted from it. Â I'm not holding my breath though, shudder to think that the Tories might actually repeal something they voted against! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Ouija   10 #22 Posted October 27, 2008 To prevent unscrupulous employers paying their workforce in peanuts/string etc.  I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing, but don't think that the current rates reflect the cost of a reasonable living. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Clifflad   10 #23 Posted October 27, 2008 I think you are living in the victorian times, i think you would hsve made an ideal cotton mill owner, why pay an adult wage when you can get a 7year old boy under the machine to clean it, i also bet that you are anti union as well, its a very selfish point of view that you have, but I suppose that you are fortunate enough to be one of those that does not rely on the minimum wage,  I am afraid my friend you have been brought up in a sheltered environment - the UK. The real world out there is not so ' jolly ' as the British imagine sat in their armchair polotics about being ' fair '.  People come here because even a £1 and hour is an impovement for them - and they will work for the £1 as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
IanG   10 #24 Posted October 27, 2008 Why should there be a minimum rate of pay when other countries pay wages the company can compete at in a global economy. Why should British workers expect this cotton wool approach.  WTF is ''cotton wool approach'' about being paid what when you consider the cost of things in this country amounts to almost slave labour?.  I will let someone who can word their argument a bit better than me come along and rip too shreds the many holes in your statements, but out of intrest how much do you earn ?  You sound like a bit of a heartless ******** to me or maybe a greedy business owner perhaps, either way you talk utter **** Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...