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years not over yet

 

if the trend for overall crime continues it will be even lower by the end of the year.

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I simply don't believe ANY government statistics - they can use statistics to 'prove' anything they like, make the stats appear to support any policy they want. Government statistics are utterly meaningless

 

StarSparkle

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. - Benjamin Disraeli

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And it was under Thatcher that we saw the greatest increase in the crime figures, when they doubled in the six years between 1979 and 1985.

 

Recorded crime didn't double between 1979 and 1985.

p.16

1979 - 2,500,000

1985 - 3,426,000

 

 

..2000 - 5,171,000

 

If you choose to believe these figures. :)

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ITV.com

Cops hid number of violent crimes

Mirror.co.uk - 22 minutes ago

Police have hidden the true extent of violence on our streets for 10 years, it emerged yesterday. Thousands of serious attacks - such as grevious bodily harm with intent - have been recorded as minor offences.

Correct crime figures borne out Daily Post

Row over police statistics as recount leads to 22% 'rise' in worst ... guardian.co.uk

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Considering the reduction iin crime was the cornerstone in arguments on previous threads, i feel fully vindicated.

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the only reason its a bit quiet is because the thugs have run out of ammo normal service will be resumed after stocks are replenished

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And why did crime rocket like that? People may put it down to mass unemployment, but we had mass unemployment in the 1930s but crime levels remained pretty constant during that decade. Times were also hard in the austerity years following World War II, and crime rose only steadily from the mid 1950s through to 1979. So why the sudden jump between 1979 and 1985? It was almost certainly due to the selfish values and greedy culture imparted upon us by Thatcherism - those selfish attitudes where there was no such thing as society. She made selfishness and greed acceptable and left as her legacy a country in the selfish and indifferent image of herself and her ministers. The doubling of crime was pretty uniform throughout the country. It doubled in areas hammered by recession and also doubled in those areas that also escaped its worst effects. People no longer had respect for others. 'Me first' was the golden rule of that era. That is why the society of 1979 onwards is so different from that of 1978 and before. And the Thatcher society certainly won't go away overnight. It is here to stay.

 

The jump was due to the debacle old Labour left this country in. The recession the sorry state of society - labours fault. Thatcher inherited a disaster. Blair inherited a prospering fixed nation then promptly ruined it again creating this current day fiasco and people have the audacity to suggest this is Thatchers legacy even though they won't see that the situation re crime and unemployment in the 80's was a legacy of the state of things in the 70's thanks to the idiots 75% of Sheffielders still vote for in a general election! One last thing, her party produce accurate data re crime figures to show a true picture as opposed to the fraud that has been committed by the lying labour party over the last 10 years!

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And why did crime rocket like that? People may put it down to mass unemployment, but we had mass unemployment in the 1930s but crime levels remained pretty constant during that decade. Times were also hard in the austerity years following World War II, and crime rose only steadily from the mid 1950s through to 1979. So why the sudden jump between 1979 and 1985? It was almost certainly due to the selfish values and greedy culture imparted upon us by Thatcherism - those selfish attitudes where there was no such thing as society. She made selfishness and greed acceptable and left as her legacy a country in the selfish and indifferent image of herself and her ministers. The doubling of crime was pretty uniform throughout the country. It doubled in areas hammered by recession and also doubled in those areas that also escaped its worst effects. People no longer had respect for others. 'Me first' was the golden rule of that era. That is why the society of 1979 onwards is so different from that of 1978 and before. And the Thatcher society certainly won't go away overnight. It is here to stay.

 

That is an absolutely excellent post, Firecracker, and right on the money.

 

I'd have commented on it before, but I must have missed it last night.

 

When the British PM declares "There is no such thing as society", you cannot expect anything other than the outcome this country has had - everyone totally out for themselves, where the needs and rights of others mean absolutely nothing to them. No respect, no thought or care for others, barely even seeing other people as fellow-humans - that has been the inevitable outcome of Thatcher's time in power. What a wonderful Legacy :rant:

 

"Greed is Good" and devil take the weak, the sick and the old - that's what people wanted in the 1980s, and by God, are we all paying for it now.

 

StarSparkle

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You heard right. Did you also hear overall crime and overall violent crime remain down on last year ?

 

Senior police chiefs admitted the problems affected all 43 forces in England and Wales.

 

In the latest quarterly figures published yesterday the category of ‘most serious violence against the person’ had leapt by 22 percent year on year.

 

It rose from 4,500 in the second quarter last year to 5,500 in the same period this year, equivalent to around 60 a day.

 

Figures for serious stabbings rose 29 percent, from 1,253 in the second quarter of 2007 to 1,616 in 2008 — equivalent to an extra 1,500 stabbings each year.

 

Use of knives in sexual offences was counted separately for the first time, revealing there were 8,610 incidents in the three months to June — equivalent to 34,440 per year, or almost 100 offences per day.

 

Recorded gun crime was down 6 percent, from 9,862 in the year to June 2007 to 9,306 the following year.

 

Between 2007 and 2008 recorded drug crimes were up 8 percent, with 59,000 cases logged by police in the second quarter of this year, up from 55,600.

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