Plastic surgery gone mad???

[Halibut 12]

One of the first things I learned when I started having sex was that all women have different looking sexual organs, theyre all slightly different, all do the same thing and the differences are... How do I put this delicately for a family forum...? The differences are all.. good, all part of womens individualities and all.. I cant put it in a nce way, slob that I am, but Im sure you all know what Im getting at.

 

You put that rather well actually.

[shh! 10]

Um...why do people think insecurity is dumb?

 

We all know men get insecure about their willies, even though boys grow up seeing each others bits in the loo, in the shower at the gym, getting dressed after sports etc, so they have some idea of the variety in size/shape thats out there...

 

Girls, however, do not see other girls' 'tuppence' very often. Even if you're next to another woman getting dressed after sports, you can't see what is 'tucked away', unless you start peering down to have a good old perv, well that would be a bit odd wouldn't it?

 

So the first time a girl sees other girl's bits is when she finds her dads/brothers/boyfriends p0rn. And is confronted with neatly shaved, trimmed, liposuctioned bodyparts. This does not necessarily conform to what she has herself. Hence insecurity starts. If a boyfriend, who has mainly experienced the female bod through p0rn, makes a nasty comment, this will just confirm her fears. Hence insecurity. Is she dumb or just trying to conform to the standard which seems to be expected?

[Jessica23 10]

Since I'm not actually convinced that anyone will click on the link I posted earlier, here are some of the salient points, and I'm sorry it's so long. The bolding is mine.

 

So-called "vaginal rejuvenation," "designer vaginoplasty," "revirgination," and "G-spot amplification" procedures are not medically indicated, nor is there documentation of their safety and effectiveness, said The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) today in a new Committee Opinion published in the September issue of Obstetrics & Gynecology. Moreover, it is deceptive to give the impression that any of these procedures are accepted and routine surgical practices, according to ACOG.

 

ACOG recommends that women considering cosmetic vaginal procedures should be informed about the lack of data supporting the effectiveness of these procedures as well as their potential complications, including infection, altered sensation, dyspareunia (pain), adhesions, and scarring.

 

Over the past several years, an increasing number of physicians have been offering various types of vaginal surgeries that are marketed to women as ways to enhance genital appearance and sexual gratification. Some of these procedures, such as "vaginal rejuvenation," appear to be modifications of traditional vaginal surgical procedures for genuine medical conditions. These medical conditions may include pelvic prolapse, vaginal relaxation with symptoms, the reversal or repair of female genital cutting ("female circumcision") and treatment for labial hypertrophy or asymmetrical labial growth due to congenital conditions, chronic irritation, or excessive androgenic (male) hormones.

 

"Many women don't realize that the appearance of external genitals varies significantly from woman to woman. As ob-gyns, we know this to be the case from years of experience," said Abbey B. Berenson, MD, a member of ACOG's Committee on Gynecologic Practice. An honest discussion about the wide variation in the appearance of normal genitalia could reassure women who are insecure about the look of their own genitalia, said Dr. Berenson.

 

Ob-gyns whose patients ask about these procedures should discuss the reason for the request and perform a physical evaluation for any signs or symptoms that may indicate a need for surgical intervention. Women who want to improve their sexual response should be evaluated for sexual dysfunction, and nonsurgical interventions, including counseling, should be considered.

 

"There are always risks associated with a surgical procedure," said Dr. Berenson. "It's important that women understand the potential risks of these procedures and that there is no scientific evidence regarding their benefits."

 

Very few cosmetic vaginal procedures are medically indicated nor are there published studies that assess the safety, complication rates, and long-term satisfaction for any of these unproven surgical procedures. "It is imperative that studies on these procedures be conducted and published in peer-reviewed publications so that the evidence and clinical outcomes can be reviewed," said Dr. Berenson. "Until that time, the absence of data supporting the safety and efficacy of these procedures makes their recommendation untenable."

 

ACOG also is concerned with the ethical issues associated with the marketing and national franchising of cosmetic vaginal procedures. A business model that controls the dissemination of scientific knowledge is troubling, according to the new committee opinion. "When a new surgical procedure or a variation of an established surgical procedure is developed, physicians typically do not attempt to keep it proprietary or restrict who can perform the procedure," said Dr. Berenson.

 

So, in answer to the OP - yes, this is cosmetic surgery gone mad. And the blame for that rests on the cosmetic surgery industry, not the women who have had these 'treatments' marketed to them unethically.

 

ETA: The source is the American College of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, and a link to the original statement (which I've just quoted in full) can be found via the link I provided in my previous post.

[shh! 10]

Jessica, thanks for posting that. I'm sure there are a small minority of women who truly need some kind of surgery 'down there', but for the most part its madness. We condemn FGM, is this so different?

[Halibut 12]

Jessica, thanks for posting that. I'm sure there are a small minority of women who truly need some kind of surgery 'down there', but for the most part its madness. We condemn FGM, is this so different?

 

I'd never thought about it in that way before, ssh!, but actually it's not so very different is it?

[theripsaw 10]

I'd never thought about it in that way before, ssh!, but actually it's not so very different is it?

 

Yes it is. People dont opt with a free will for FGM.

[theripsaw 10]

So, in answer to the OP - yes, this is cosmetic surgery gone mad. And the blame for that rests on the cosmetic surgery industry, not the women who have had these 'treatments' marketed to them unethically.

 

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Credit these ladies with some intelligence for Gods sake. Or are you suggesting they have been taken advantage of? Perhaps all cosmetic surgery for vanitys sake should be banned? Or perhaps people should have the choice.

 

Lets ban piercings too. Some poor girls have actually had their tongue pierced through no fault of their own- their favourite pop star is responsible- er unless theyre female, and then it would be their record company.

[metaphoria 10]

So, in answer to the OP - yes, this is cosmetic surgery gone mad. And the blame for that rests on the cosmetic surgery industry, not the women who have had these 'treatments' marketed to them unethically.

 

I think so too-(well to a point)... in that I find it quite sad that some people are embarrassed about their bodies in this way, and there are some who would make others feel embarrassed by what they say.

 

Yet what about pro-choice? Why should it not apply to this?

[leviathan13 349]

Well, it's quite obvious that the humour has been totally sucked out of this thread.

 

Jessica23 - I wasn't being serious with my post. It's just difficult to inject sarcasm when typing. I also didn't use the gusset bacon term. Obviously you've never read the Profanisaurus from Viz. One thing I will say is, and I don't want a reply, I bet at some point in your life you've made a few willy jokes at the expense of men. I have, and I am one. I've made bald jokes, and I'm almost there. I've made fat jokes, and I am. Doesn't mean I'm a nasty person.

 

And to Halibut - In no way am I misogynistic. You didn't get my humour, it's no one's fault, we're just different people.

 

The fact is I have a major problem with plastic surgery just for the sake of it and feel sorry for females who feel that they have to do such things to make themsleves happy.

[Plain Talker 11]

No.

If they are so mentally fragile, so pathetically insecure and so basically dumb then they are going to have to toughen up a bit for life- (and not get into such a flap about things )

 

This is the problem, though. because of things like the porn industry, women are being made to feel (and men too) that their "bits" have to look a certain way, (usually conforming to one ideal) and anything slightly deviating from the (often airbrushed) pics is "gross" or "abnormal", when in fact they are absolutely fine.

 

the real DUMB things are the folk who push the idea that we should all be "identikit alike" and not allowed to be comfortable in our own skin.

[jibbs1977 10]

I cant believe some girls are so bothered about having what ever is the perfect vagina, so what do you think about it and girls would you have this cosmetic surgury?.

[Alien 10]

I guess some women are just not happy with their curtains...same as with their buoyancy aids..