Should Black boys be taught seperatly?

[Greybeard 10]

The problem seems to arise from poor parenting and economic background. White boys from the same kind of environment/econimic background do just as poorly at school as black boys. The reality is that most black families fall into the lower income brackets so any general comparison of eductaional achievement between white and black is bound to be skewed.

 

More black male teachers might help but how to recruit them ?

 

On the subject of segregation, - there seems not to have been very much opposition to Muslim schools where demography dictates that the intake will be almost entirely Asian.

[Guest]

no

 

segregation causes problems.

 

The more integrated a society is the less tensions there are within that society.

 

By taking a group aside you are stigmatising that group in the minds of the group and all those outside of it.

 

We need more black/asian teachers. Especially males.

 

A lot of kids seem to be playing the race card in today's society with any authority figures. We need to get this stopped.

[spiffymonkey 10]

How about just separating out the students based on grades and ability. If (an ONLY if) what this guy is saying holds true, we will end up with a class containing only black boys. If we don't, it will satisfactorily prove him wrong.

 

Of course, if by pure bizarre chance it does prove him right then at least the separation has been for valid, accepted reasons (academic ability)

[sunshineyday 10]

Single sex lessons work out very well for girls, who seem to reach their potential much better - if it works for girls then why not black boys.

[evildrneil 14]

I have to say I'm not a big fan of single sex lessons/schools either. We all live in the same world and should be treated the same way. Separating out boys/girls, races, religions etc. looks like a move which will only further entrench the divisions in society.

[nick2 10]

Some parents choose to send their kids to single sex schools so there must be some advantage to it, or why would they bother ?

[evildrneil 14]

I was stating a general principle - we get alot of our early socialisation from school - if you are in a single sex or single race environment won't that limit your socialisation to that particular group? I personally think that these days far to much emphasis on results and grades and not enough on other very important issues like socialisation and integration - or as dear old Albert said:

 

Not everything that can be counted counts and not everything that counts can be counted.

[Zebra 10]

I cannot say that this suggestion is a solution, however race does make a difference in some areas.

I entirely agree that we all are members of the human race and therefore should learn to live in the same world.

Some people have special needs and cannot maintain an acceptable level of education in a standard school, therefore the education system makes allowances.

If black boys are statistically suffering in their standards of education, shouldn't allowances be made to help them?

Where I teach there is a form of racism going on every day - against me. Simply because I am a white female teacher. I get no respect from most male asian ( Indian and Pakistani predominantly) students. This unfortunately inhibits my ability to teach as I cannot speak them and have them listen, exert authority or give punishments like detention (parents bail them out with a note).

Should all asian students be taught by men or by people of their own culture exclusively, just because they refuse to respect women or white people?

I feel too many people are afraid of appearing racist against ethnic minorities and therefore become racist against white people. Too many allowances are made and too much jumping through hoops in order to say that we weren't racist.

Ultimately we are all human and should be treated as equals UNLESS we cannot perform as equals for some reason, then we can be given special consideration.

Culture, religion, physical and mental differences, health... these are all reasons that special consideration MIGHT be given, circumstances permitting. Each person should be taken on their own merit and helped as individuals.

if that means that several black boys would benefit more from being taught seperately sometimes - then so be it, so long as they are not segregated completely and not in anyway socially.

I expect someone will read this as a racist post, please, before responding, read it again. I simply do not agree with most peoples reasons but it does not make me racist.

[evildrneil 14]

I think this is the wrong way round. Shouldn't we be looking at WHY black males are not doing well and address those issues - if not aren't we going to create a condition whereby we condition them into being separate and incapable rather than full members of society? This can only have bad long term effects.

[foxy27 10]

What a stupid idea...Are we aiming to be the new South Africa!

[Monroe 10]

I really don't see why 'black males' have been singled out. Some lessons have been proved to benefit boys and girls when they are tought separately but surely to distinguish black males from white males is taking things a bit too far?

 

If people are taught separately then how are they supposed to learn to integrate and learn tollerance of each other?

 

There may be a case for some groups of people to have some extra lessons in a different environment, but total schooling is far from an ideal solution.

[Internetowl 10]

Well on the news they interviewed a group of teenage black boys from Brum - they seemed very concerned they were being singled out for this special treatment - do the people who make up these crack pot ideas not realise its them that have to put up with the consequences of their 'plans'?

 

The youth of today are more integrated than any generation before - why undo this progress? Makes no sense to me