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have seen tonite in the paper about police that they are cutting costs. they have sold the training centre in ecclesfield and 100 police have lost there jobs.
Police officers don't loose their jobs in cutbacks, it's normally done by natural wastage, as in they don't recruit to refill posts lost due to retirement or movement in to other areas. Police civilian staff have in the past lost their jobs due to cutbacks.

 

well thats what they say but they have prob have sold the site made money
If a site has been sold then would you really have a problem with the funds from that sale being used elsewhere in the public service? Surely it makes sense, if money's tight, to reallocate those funds where they are more needed?

 

and move the police to a different site with a pay rise which we have to pay for in tax etc.
I'm not sure how you jump to the thought of a payrise here, but police pay is quite strictly governed and controlled. Officers can't just have payrises at the whim of a force. In fact it's almost the opposite. I am sure many of you will remember the governments handling of the pay dispute last year, as we approach the next pay negotiation it appears we may be heading down the same path.

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...goes to dig up the thread about the fool doing the thumbs up to the speed camera...... ;)

 

As with any job or trade, sadly you'll always get an idiot that ruins the reputation for the rest who work hard and keep standards up.

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as i said the training centre has been sold to either netto or lidl to be used as there offices. the police say that they are losing there jobs but they are just moving to another site near manvers so they are not losing there jobs at all.

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Says who?

 

I'm better than a response driver any day! :P

 

The national standards.

 

The ambulance service sends it's instructors to the same driver training center that we use. The ambulance service instructors are trained to the same standard that police response drivers are trained to. These instructors then return to the ambulance service and train the ambulance drivers.

 

Police driving instructors, that train response drivers (and ambulance instructors), have to do the response course followed by a 6 week instructor course and further training.

 

When I was on my response course it was pointed out to us by our instructor that all police officers permitted to use the emergency equipment are actually trained to a higher standard than ambulance service drivers and that only ambulance service instructors who train ambulance staff are trained to the same standards as standard response police drivers. We were also informed that if you were to leave the police and join the ambulance service you could transfer your driving qualification across with the only requirement of a 10 minute check drive to demonstrate your standard, however people leaving the ambulance service to become cops cannot transfer their driver qualifications across and must start from scratch without any driving authority at all and retrain.

 

This is also reflected by the Institute of Advanced Motorists in their exemption list,

Membership of the IAM is usually offered only to applicants who have succeeded in passing the IAM's Advanced Driving Test. However, since this test is based on the police system of car control, police officers holding one or more of the qualifications listed below are eligible for full membership of the IAM without further testing.

 

*Police Advanced Driving Certificate

*Police Advanced Motorcycle Certificate

*Police Standard Response Driving Certificate

*Police Standard Response Motorcycle Certificate

 

If you are the holder of one or more of the qualifications listed below you are eligible to become a member of the IAM without the need to take the test.

 

*CAR/LGV/MOTORCYCLE EXAMINER'S WARRANT (DDE)

*CAR/LGV/MOTORCYCLE EXAMINER'S WARRANT (DSA)

*FIRE/AMBULANCE SERVICE INSTRUCTOR'S CERTIFICATE

*ARMED FORCES INSTRUCTOR'S CERTIFICATE

*CLASS 1 ROLLS-ROYCE/BENTLEY CHAUFFEUR'S CERTIFICATE

*GRADE A CARDINGTON SPECIAL DRIVING TEST CERTIFICATE

 

The above quote is taken from http://www.iam.org.uk/aboutus/jointheiam.htm and shows that standard response police drivers are able to join and are exempt from their test, however only ambulance drivers qualified to an instructor level can enjoy the same benefit.

 

Further to this, police drivers involved in pursuits are normally qualified above the Standard Response level with a minimum of the additional Initial Pursuit course or the Advanced Pursuit course. I believe that at this time it's only the police, SOCA and possibly a few other law enforcement sides of the emergency services and government that train to those standards to further improve their driving (as there's no need for other services to be pursuit trained).

 

I'm certainly not knocking the ambulance drivers and certainly not saying they are poor drivers, far from it, they are extremely good drivers. However police drivers are trained to higher standards, especially those involved in puruits.

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I just thought this bit was worth repeating for anyone who hasn't read it yet.

 

Just to drive home the point that there is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED for ALL 3 LANES OF THE MOTORWAY TO SLOW TO 65MPH just because there is a black/yellow chequered vehicle driving along.

 

Highways Agency traffic officers can an DO use their police powers to stop and dirct traffic, failing to heed a direction from a HATO is treated exactly the same as failing to stop for a Constable ( as was the case when we actually had proper Traffic wardens)

 

if the sheeple ar that unobservant not to spot the clear Highways agency markings .... however HATOs are in contact with the RPU police officers either direct by airwave radio or via the HA motorway control rooms

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Says who?

 

I'm better than a response driver any day! :P

 

probably yet another numpty who thinks all police officers are trained to 'advanced' standards rather than just RPU/ ARV/some dog handlers / some 'area car' drivers ...

 

to be honest i'd prefer a IHCD D2 driver over a police 'response' driver any day of the week

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probably yet another numpty who thinks all police officers are trained to 'advanced' standards rather than just RPU/ ARV/some dog handlers / some 'area car' drivers ...
Or rather someone who knows that's not the case at all, if you'd read the whole thread before replying you'd see that's certainly not my line of thought and that I provided quite a lengthy reply explaining the reasons behind my comments.

 

And while on that subject, there are a number of officers not in the departments you mention that are also trained to police advanced standards. While I agree that it's not all police officers, I think it was misleading for you to say that it was just those that you listed above.

 

to be honest i'd prefer a IHCD D2 driver over a police 'response' driver any day of the week
I wasn't trying to get this in to a peeing competition, just commenting regarding the standards of drivers in a hope to help people understand that these drivers are trained to high standards and that plenty is being done to keep the public and all those involved as safe as possible.

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Highways Agency traffic officers can an DO use their police powers to stop and dirct traffic, failing to heed a direction from a HATO is treated exactly the same as failing to stop for a Constable ( as was the case when we actually had proper Traffic wardens)
HATO do not have police powers, they have their own powers. The are not sworn in to the office of constable and are not part of the police.

 

if the sheeple ar that unobservant not to spot the clear Highways agency markings .... however HATOs are in contact with the RPU police officers either direct by airwave radio or via the HA motorway control rooms
I think it's good that you often get motorists slowing down from excessive speeds to a more safe speed when they see a HATO vehicle, mistaking it for a police vehicle. It works in a similar way to when motorists see a parked up paramedic vehicle at the side of the road and mistake it for a police car. If it helps reduce the number of speeding motorists then that's a good thing.

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as i said the training centre has been sold to either netto or lidl to be used as there offices. the police say that they are losing there jobs but they are just moving to another site near manvers so they are not losing there jobs at all.

 

No, the way it is being done is that a good number of retiring/ resigning officers aren't being replaced. Just the small matter of 150 fully warranted officers gone for the people of South Yorkshire this year. Possibly, somewhere near that again next year. If that does happen, thats @10% of the warranted officers gone inside two years. Why - the govt insisting on 3% 'efficiency savings' - read cuts - every year for three years.

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HATO do not have police powers, they have their own powers. The are not sworn in to the office of constable and are not part of the police.

 

I think it's good that you often get motorists slowing down from excessive speeds to a more safe speed when they see a HATO vehicle, mistaking it for a police vehicle. It works in a similar way to when motorists see a parked up paramedic vehicle at the side of the road and mistake it for a police car. If it helps reduce the number of speeding motorists then that's a good thing.

 

Only idiots slow down on passing highways agency vehicles,but then the same people brake at every lamp post like their doing some sort of morse code with their brake lights.

You seem to need a reminder that 94% of all accidents in this country are NOT caused by speed.

Will you be bleating about the other causes or will you wait for the police/media to tell you what to think?

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HATO do not have police powers, they have their own powers. The are not sworn in to the office of constable and are not part of the police.

 

 

 

did i say that ? no i didn't what i did point out is that ignoring HATO directions is as serious as ignoring the instructions of a constable...

 

 

the same situation applies with proper traffic wardens, school crossing patrols or PCSOs with traffic warden powers - none of them hold the office of constable all ofthem hav powers equivalent to a constable to stop or direct traffic within the remit of their role...

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Only idiots slow down on passing highways agency vehicles,but then the same people brake at every lamp post like their doing some sort of morse code with their brake lights.

You seem to need a reminder that 94% of all accidents in this country are NOT caused by speed.

Or perhaps you need to consider if I was even debating anything to do with the percentage of accidents caused by speed :loopy: Have another read, I'm sure you'll not see me say anything about the percentage of accidents caused by speed at all.

Will you be bleating about the other causes or will you wait for the police/media to tell you what to think?
Bleating? I think the only person on here doing that is you in your post above, one mention of excessive speed and you're off without me even typing the word accident.

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