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did i say that ? no i didn't what i did point out is that ignoring HATO directions is as serious as ignoring the instructions of a constable...
I'll show you exactly what you said if it helps,
Highways Agency traffic officers can an DO use their police powers to stop and dirct traffic
Your post was misleading as the powers used by HATO are not 'police powers' as you suggest as they are not constables.

 

the same situation applies with proper traffic wardens, school crossing patrols or PCSOs with traffic warden powers - none of them hold the office of constable all ofthem hav powers equivalent to a constable to stop or direct traffic within the remit of their role...
I'm not disputing who can and can't direct or stop traffic, I was pointing out that despite your claim that HATO had 'police powers', they don't. They have their own set of powers. There's already confusion with HATO, who they are, what they can do etc. so I didn't want people mistaking them as part of the police from your post, I'm sorry if that upsets you as that wasn't my intention.

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Here in Shirecliffe we have a Bus Gate, Very few buses use it. It is also in a stupid place for a bus gate. The buses that do use it till tea time do not use it on a Sunday. There is no danger to anyone even if cars were to go through the gate. However three Sunday's ago the Police took it in turns to watch this Bus Gate and stopped many drivers. This would be O.K in itself but just yards away from the Bus gate a house reported a tresspasser on the Garden stealing garden ornaments. The Police responded by giving an incident number. They never called, When the occupier rang them two days later they were told the WPC dealing with the incident was on holiday. The Police Officer investigating ? this offence turned up a week later to collect the CCTV of the offence. Nothing heard since, The Police still guard the bus gate even after the accident on Shirecliffe Road Sunday evening. This gate could not even be used as a diversion route to Herries Road. Some tried and were booked

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What's that got to do with the subject of police drivers and pursuits? :confused:

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What's that got to do with the subject of police drivers and pursuits? :confused:

 

These young coppers are as bad as the boy racers, They enjoy the chase. Whilst others would rather sit at this and other bus gates

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Would any of you care to explain to the relatives of innocent road users killed/maimed due to low standards of emergency vehicle driving the importance of catching mobile phone users or seeing how many medical emergency vehicles on one call at the same time.

 

Of course i would. i'd show them pictures of the mangled and dead faces of people injured from accidents that resulted from a mobile phone...

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Of course i would. i'd show them pictures of the mangled and dead faces of people injured from accidents that resulted from a mobile phone...
How many of those are available compared with accidents involving emergency vehicles?

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The national standards.

 

The ambulance service sends it's instructors to the same driver training center that we use. The ambulance service instructors are trained to the same standard that police response drivers are trained to. These instructors then return to the ambulance service and train the ambulance drivers.

 

Police driving instructors, that train response drivers (and ambulance instructors), have to do the response course followed by a 6 week instructor course and further training.

 

When I was on my response course it was pointed out to us by our instructor that all police officers permitted to use the emergency equipment are actually trained to a higher standard than ambulance service drivers and that only ambulance service instructors who train ambulance staff are trained to the same standards as standard response police drivers. We were also informed that if you were to leave the police and join the ambulance service you could transfer your driving qualification across with the only requirement of a 10 minute check drive to demonstrate your standard, however people leaving the ambulance service to become cops cannot transfer their driver qualifications across and must start from scratch without any driving authority at all and retrain.

 

This is also reflected by the Institute of Advanced Motorists in their exemption list,

 

The above quote is taken from http://www.iam.org.uk/aboutus/jointheiam.htm and shows that standard response police drivers are able to join and are exempt from their test, however only ambulance drivers qualified to an instructor level can enjoy the same benefit.

 

Further to this, police drivers involved in pursuits are normally qualified above the Standard Response level with a minimum of the additional Initial Pursuit course or the Advanced Pursuit course. I believe that at this time it's only the police, SOCA and possibly a few other law enforcement sides of the emergency services and government that train to those standards to further improve their driving (as there's no need for other services to be pursuit trained).

 

I'm certainly not knocking the ambulance drivers and certainly not saying they are poor drivers, far from it, they are extremely good drivers. However police drivers are trained to higher standards, especially those involved in puruits.

 

I understand that our driver trainers have to have a training qualification before they go off to do the driver training course.

 

All frontline recruits to the ambulance service are required to do the D1 (basic non-blues & twos) course and emergency staff do the D1 + D2 (blues & twos) course - there are no exemptions for police officers transferring across, in the same way that the police don't accept ambulance service driver training. I understand the reason for this is because the style of driving is quite different.

 

I was told on my D2 course that on completion of the course we'd be to a standard where we could walk through the IAM assessment. I can only suppose it's a syllabus thing that prevents accreditation.

 

I would certainly acknowledge the superior skills of the persuit trained drivers :)

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If there were no pursuits there would be no celebrity policeman on tv programmes like traffic cops.

 

I bet not that many pursuits get abandoned due to being too dangerous.

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It seems your answer is that is has nothing to do with the thread topic then.

 

These young coppers are as bad as the boy racers, They enjoy the chase. Whilst others would rather sit at this and other bus gates
And in a matter of a couple of lines you show ignorance on the subject and attempt to insult police officers too. Nice.

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I understand that our driver trainers have to have a training qualification before they go off to do the driver training course.

 

All frontline recruits to the ambulance service are required to do the D1 (basic non-blues & twos) course and emergency staff do the D1 + D2 (blues & twos) course - there are no exemptions for police officers transferring across, in the same way that the police don't accept ambulance service driver training. I understand the reason for this is because the style of driving is quite different.

 

I was told on my D2 course that on completion of the course we'd be to a standard where we could walk through the IAM assessment. I can only suppose it's a syllabus thing that prevents accreditation.

 

I would certainly acknowledge the superior skills of the persuit trained drivers :)

Thank you, it's nice to be acknowledged :D

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If there were no pursuits there would be no celebrity policeman on tv programmes like traffic cops.

 

I bet not that many pursuits get abandoned due to being too dangerous.

It does happen and although not every pursuit gets called off, it's not that rare an occurance.

 

To be honest I think the TV shows don't do the cops any good. It shows what I consider to be quite an inaccurate portrayal of the job and often doesn't do us any favours thanks to the actions of a few of them. It's also worth remembering that these shows take months and months to make just a couple of episodes, it's not every day that a pursuit takes place and I'm sure if they showed the day to day duties of those officers that the public would soon watch something else on TV.

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It does happen and although not every pursuit gets called off, it's not that rare an occurance.

 

To be honest I think the TV shows don't do the cops any good. It shows what I consider to be quite an inaccurate portrayal of the job and often doesn't do us any favours thanks to the actions of a few of them. It's also worth remembering that these shows take months and months to make just a couple of episodes, it's not every day that a pursuit takes place and I'm sure if they showed the day to day duties of those officers that the public would soon watch something else on TV.

 

Exactly! the nearest they ever got to THE REAL job was the Bill when it first started. They just gleen the very few interesting chases from various forces and the vid's are years old from what I can make out.

Completely bored with all these Police, camera action type programs, it does not portray the job as it really is!

Like all the hours you spend on nights waiting for things to happen, the paper work, the frustration with CPS and the abuse one gets, simply for wearing that uniform.

I've stopped watching as it's garbadge " sorry Matt" but it is! Like how they show old matt on a chase, then it all ends in him losing the little scrote! OH and how come all traffic cops are interbred and related to one another...lol:D

Come and have a coffe with me and we could have a run down on how exactly to look good on camera and how to catch toerags the proper way....Not the boring PC way..lol

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