Cyclone   10 #13 Posted April 21, 2008 At those prices you'd have to be really desperate to live in the city centre for some reason. It's a no brainer for most people to look a bit further out and get far far more for the money.  So on that basis I'd be very surprised if they sell at those prices. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tony   10 #14 Posted April 22, 2008 And when you consider all the internal walls are plasterboard and the pipe work mainly plastic and prone to leaking its even more obsurd. Give me a solid built house any day  You plainly have no idea what you are spouting off about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Phylis   10 #15 Posted April 23, 2008 a lot of the major building companies are selling off there land reserves and laying staff off even as we speak... one major company laid 70 off last month .. hence the rise in trades logging on the forum .. (just my opinion) we are in for a long slog i am afraid. i would say to anyone save and not spend at the min. see in 6 months how the market is....  i would also agree the BTL will still boom as more people are failing getting a mortgage and are being pushed into lets short term.  Would you care to name a few. We have heard of only one company up the shoot and they owe a lot of money not just to us but to 20 other companies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
The otter   10 #16 Posted April 23, 2008 You plainly have no idea what you are spouting off about.  .  I meant new build flats in general I didn't mean the at wicker  They may be built different  but i'll be very surprised if the internal walls of the flats arn't plasterboard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tony   10 #17 Posted April 23, 2008 OK, let's deal with the two points that you raised, sorry if I was a bit tetchy before  Plasterboard walls: Most internal partitions are now formed from studwork for various reasons. Firstly it is much more sound and heat efficient than masonry. It is fast, it is light and it is cheap because it is fast and light. It is in every way every bit as good as masonry - it is just different. In fact studwork is now also used for external walls - it's that good.  Plastic pipework: Everyone has their choices but there is nothing wrong with PVC / pu pipework. Again it is fast and light but one of the main advantages is that the newer stuff comes on a roll (like cable) and actually has less joints, therefore less chance of failure. Heat welded joints should be every bit as good if not better than copper.   I do have sympathy with why you think what you do, but I also think that you just need to get yourself up to date with modern building techniques. Perception counts for a lot and perhaps the industry should do more to get the general public up to speed to allay what should be unfounded fears. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
The otter   10 #18 Posted April 23, 2008 OK, let's deal with the two points that you raised, sorry if I was a bit tetchy before  Plasterboard walls: Most internal partitions are now formed from studwork for various reasons. Firstly it is much more sound and heat efficient than masonry. It is fast, it is light and it is cheap because it is fast and light. It is in every way every bit as good as masonry - it is just different. In fact studwork is now also used for external walls - it's that good.  Plastic pipework: Everyone has their choices but there is nothing wrong with PVC / pu pipework. Again it is fast and light but one of the main advantages is that the newer stuff comes on a roll (like cable) and actually has less joints, therefore less chance of failure. Heat welded joints should be every bit as good if not better than copper.   I do have sympathy with why you think what you do, but I also think that you just need to get yourself up to date with modern building techniques. Perception counts for a lot and perhaps the industry should do more to get the general public up to speed to allay what should be unfounded fears.  My perception was regarding the apartments in the OP  I work on sites day in day out.  I worked on west one flats for 2 years  clarence dock in leeds for 1 year  My knowledge of modern building techniques IS up to date   My personal opinion was that on the flats i've been on the parts done in plastic piping had more leaks than the parts done in copper.  As for the walls my opinion is the acoustic side is poorer ( for example in student apartments where the bedrooms lay side by side) and tend to damage easier.  I've never doubted the cost is cheaper, i'd just rather pay 220k for a house with brick internal walls and copper piping than the cheap easy suspect alternatives used nowadays Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tony   10 #19 Posted April 23, 2008 You're not up to date if you are quoting those schemes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
sham71   10 #20 Posted April 24, 2008 Would you care to name a few. We have heard of only one company up the shoot and they owe a lot of money not just to us but to 20 other companies.  Persimmon?  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7364302.stm  ...."the firm said housing market activity had "deteriorated" significantly in the past three weeks as mortgages became scarcer and consumer confidence fell..." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Phylis   10 #21 Posted April 24, 2008 Persimmon? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7364302.stm  ...."the firm said housing market activity had "deteriorated" significantly in the past three weeks as mortgages became scarcer and consumer confidence fell..."  This doesnt mean they are laying people off though does it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
pete_jim   10 #22 Posted April 24, 2008 You're not up to date if you are quoting those schemes  But surely thats not to say that a lot of houses built recently with stud/partition walls feel considerably less solid than houses with masonry internal walls. It's a feeling not a science that the poster was relating to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Phylis   10 #23 Posted April 24, 2008 But surely thats not to say that a lot of houses built recently with stud/partition walls feel considerably less solid than houses with masonry internal walls. It's a feeling not a science that the poster was relating to.  Most houses have some timber partition walls anyway. Older houses are all brick but more modern (1930's onwards) have both. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
sham71   10 #24 Posted April 25, 2008 This doesnt mean they are laying people off though does it.  http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/construction_and_property/article3805018.ece  they are a building company that has stopped building  unless they turn into a charity, I think job losses will unfortunately follow... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...