Do I need a certificate for electrical work?

[jl-heating]

i disagree there... it is more like people go on a 5 day part p course and learn absolutely nothing and go and do work that they would not of even dreamed of doing before the legislation came out.

 

and yes i do know people who are part p and dont even have the tools for the job but are adequately qualified on paper but have no experience or knowledge of electrics and circuits or design etc.

[Thunzi]

i disagree there... it is more like people go on a 5 day part p course and learn absolutely nothing and go and do work that they would not of even dreamed of doing before the legislation came out.

 

and yes i do know people who are part p and dont even have the tools for the job but are adequately qualified on paper but have no experience or knowledge of electrics and circuits or design etc.

Unfortunate. When something goes horribly wrong with one of their jobs and they are asked to supply the testing and commssioning data, to put it bluntly, they're screwed. That's really what Part P is about, who to aportion blame on.

[Zaytsev]

i disagree there... it is more like people go on a 5 day part p course and learn absolutely nothing and go and do work that they would not of even dreamed of doing before the legislation came out.

 

and yes i do know people who are part p and dont even have the tools for the job but are adequately qualified on paper but have no experience or knowledge of electrics and circuits or design etc.

 

Good point.

 

Out of 10 on my Part P course only 5 of us had previous experience or were electricians.

 

The rest were made up of a couple of property developers who didn't want to fork out for spakies on their properties, a keen diy'er who fancied a career change and one who was there because he'd got a grant to retrain. Funnily enough they were the ones who borrowed testing equipment.

 

All the trades people had their own.

[Googleberry]

No, but you still won't be able to do it as well

Unsubstantiated nonsense! You have no idea.

It is there for the general good. It ensures that the work is tested and inspected. You may feel you can do something competently (I agree with you really - you probably can). Mr Plumber may feel like taking on a bit of wiring however - he isn't competent, the safeguards are there for him which inturn protects you (or atleast one of your families homes not wired by you).

I'd trust the wiring in a colleague's house, if they'd done it themselves. We work on far more dangerous and complex systems than domestic wiring!

Erm, no it isn't. In future I'd suggest you hire better electricians! If he'd done his tests correctly that wouldn't have happened. On a site recently we had a lot of problems with a kitchen install, several of the cabinets were made live due to a misplaced screw. Contractor didn't pick it up as they'd not gone in to test it after 2nd fix, sometimes I despair.

What can one do apart from hiring a qualified, registered electrician, which is what I did. The facts speak for themselves and destroy any argument that you may have about ensuring safety.

Ok, point taken, but to comply with the latest regulations you do...

 

I didn't assume you worked in a laboratory, it was just a phrase for anyone else reading. I saw you're a member of an association (So actually presumed you are probably a senior level of some proffesional trade, but not building industry itself - not sure what though as you mentioned physics a couple of times).

I'd hardly call my profession a trade!

Anyway, that's it. I have no more time for your pedantry! Your rigid insistence on blind rule-following is somewhat autistic.

[Googleberry]

be careful gary dont get dragged into this argument ..

 

did you know that if you are intelligent you dont need training to do a job . ?

 

that must make us thick ?? doh !!!!

 

ps: this year add the 17th edition @ 600 pound

 

The gulf between an electrician and a physicist/engineer is vast; truly and, for you clearly, unimaginably vast! An physicist/engineer would find the task of wiring a house extremely simple compared to what is required of them in their day job!

[Thunzi]

Unsubstantiated nonsense! You have no idea.

No idea what qualifications you hold to do a domestic install? Correct.

 

I'd trust the wiring in a colleague's house, if they'd done it themselves. We work on far more dangerous and complex systems than domestic wiring!

So you ignored the point about why the legislation was brought in to reference how you and your cronies can cope? Great, what about the rest of the population?

 

What can one do apart from hiring a qualified, registered electrician, which is what I did. The facts speak for themselves and destroy any argument that you may have about ensuring safety.

What facts? The electrician didn't do the work correctly! That's why Part P was introduced, to try and overcome the cowboy element (that it hasn't worked is beside the point in reference to this). Because you are ok with installing a wiring system to your (and your mates theirs) house affects no-one else. As I’ve said, a predetermined list of people exempt would have been great, but not any more workable than the current system as it is. Where would the line be drawn?

 

Anyway, that's it. I have no more time for your pedantry! Your rigid insistence on blind rule-following is somewhat autistic.

Good, I've got no more time for your pompous, egotistical attitude. It’s not blind rule following, it’s rule following. Break them and you face fines or if things go really wrong imprisonment.

[Googleberry]

It's not an argument, it's a discussion. In fairness to Googleberry, he is really right. The BSI etc did mess things up when they put Part P forward. It would have been much better if people who met a predetermined criteria could have continued with install. However, they didn't so we'll have to live with it until things settle down or are amended.

 

Sorry if it did seem like an argument. I was in a foul mood after a horrendous showing on the 5-a-side pitch tonight.

 

Hang on a minute, you didn't give me the impression that you found what I was saying to be reasonable in your previous posts! Damn, and I replied harshly without having seen this!!!

[Googleberry]

No idea what qualifications you hold to do a domestic install? Correct.

 

 

So you ignored the point about why the legislation was brought in to reference how you and your cronies can cope? Great, what about the rest of the population?

 

 

What facts? The electrician didn't do the work correctly! That's why Part P was introduced, to try and overcome the cowboy element (that it hasn't worked is beside the point in reference to this). Because you are ok with installing a wiring system to your (and your mates theirs) house affects no-one else. As I’ve said, a predetermined list of people exempt would have been great, but not any more workable than the current system as it is. Where would the line be drawn?

 

 

Good, I've got no more time for your pompous, egotistical attitude. It’s not blind rule following, it’s rule following. Break them and you face fines or if things go really wrong imprisonment.

 

I'm clearly not the only one with an ego!

[Thunzi]

Hang on a minute, you didn't give me the impression that you found what I was saying to be reasonable in your previous posts! Damn, and I replied harshly without having seen this!!!

I know, sorry

 

I've just done exactly the same thing too.... Sorry again.

[Googleberry]

I know, sorry

 

I've just done exactly the same thing too.... Sorry again.

 

Well, no bad feelings then! Good night!