What do you think of Universal Healthcare?

[Mercenary]

So youre saying if youre sick and poor then you should just die?

nice.

 

That is the crutch of the argument. In a system where by there is no universal healthcare and 100% personal responsibilty then yes if you can't afford it you would perish. But I don't think it would happen. What I believe is that under such as system there would be, for lack of a better word, 'charity' doctors/surgeries/clinics etc where good hearted volunteers would work for the type of people you are referring to. This would still encourage personal responsibilty as that care would not be as good as that which can be afford by those who have a greater income.

[JFKvsNixon]

What do you mean by 'personal responsibility', as that could mean a number of things?

[Mercenary]

What do you mean by 'personal responsibility', as that could mean a number of things?

 

It means that you pay for your own healthcare or pay into insurance to fund that healthcare. Of course, this is a personal choice as to whether you want to or not. Either way it is you own personal responsibilty rather than that of the state simply taking the money out of your pay each month and deciding for you.

[Mercenary]

As a staunch capitalist, I cannot see any place for universal private health care. I feel that capitalism needs a good NHS to provide a fit and healthy work force.

 

But doesn't it go against the very nature of capitalism to train oneself in a field and then have your wage capped by the state?

[JFKvsNixon]

It means that you pay for your own healthcare or pay into insurance to fund that healthcare. Of course, this is a personal choice as to whether you want to or not. Either way it is you own personal responsibilty rather than that of the state simply taking the money out of your pay each month and deciding for you.

 

So what you are saying is that if a private insurance firm takes money out of you account to help pay for any potential heath care that you may need, then you are acting responsibly. Isn't this already happening if you swap a private health firm for the government?

[JFKvsNixon]

But doesn't it go against the very nature of capitalism to train oneself in a field and then have your wage capped by the state?

 

Doctors wages are not capped by the state.

[Mercenary]

So what you are saying is that if a private insurance firm takes money out of you account to help pay for any potential heath care that you may need, then you are acting responsibly. Isn't this already happening if you swap a private health firm for the government?

 

The difference is that you have a choice to pay into a private firm, the government just takes it. That makes it a personal choice.

[Mathom]

That is the crutch of the argument. In a system where by there is no universal healthcare and 100% personal responsibilty then yes if you can't afford it you would perish. But I don't think it would happen. What I believe is that under such as system there would be, for lack of a better word, 'charity' doctors/surgeries/clinics etc where good hearted volunteers would work for the type of people you are referring to. This would still encourage personal responsibilty as that care would not be as good as that which can be afford by those who have a greater income.

 

Sorry but the idea of 'personal responsibility' is dead.

 

Where will you find the most people made unhealthy by lifestyle? USA. It uses private healthcare.

 

Where will you find the svelte, fit, most sickeningly healthy people? Scandinavia. They have an even more extensive 'NHS' than we do.

 

Private healthcare does not, never did, and never will encourage personal responsibility.

 

And what you advocate in the above post IS the American system. Uninsured people can take their chances with charitable organisations or with state emergency centres if they have them. That still does not encourage 'personal responsibility'.

 

You cannot provide a reason why private companies would magically give up any notion of profit either.

[Mercenary]

Doctors wages are not capped by the state.

 

Not in a traditional sense but take the case of dentists. A dentist working for the NHS makes no where near the amount as one working in a private practice. Pure capitalism requires no state intervention and the market forces of supply and demand to figure out prices of products and services.

[Mathom]

It means that you pay for your own healthcare or pay into insurance to fund that healthcare. Of course, this is a personal choice as to whether you want to or not. Either way it is you own personal responsibilty rather than that of the state simply taking the money out of your pay each month and deciding for you.

 

So you would rather pay more to have a private insurance firm administer your heathcare than have the NHS administer it for a cheaper rate?! And have to pre-approve the ambulance when you have an accident or heart attack then just rest assured one is supposed to come and scrape you up no questions asked?