School 1977 vs School 2007

[DIVA]

oh dear! Not so much about school but our society's views in general.

 

Can i add one?

 

Child gets into trouble and has to miss a break as a consequence

 

1977:Child misses break, goes home says nothing, or says something and parent says you must have done something to be in trouble. Child learns lesson and does not repeat the same behaviour again.

 

2008: Child goes home, complains to parent. A thirty minute interview of whether child is in trouble has to be followed up to come to same conclusion. Parent comes in, complains infront of child thus destroying any respect child has for teacher. Once parent is sat down for half an hour after being calmed down they start to admit that child is no angel, they have this same behaviour at home and parent breaks down, they then send child out and admit you were right all along. However child sees that teacher has made parent cry, parent has shouted at teacher, therefore why should they change their behaviour? Behaviour is still there for foreseeable future and the above scenario continues.

 

 

What about this one?

 

Child is repeatedly misbehaving, rude, and disruptive in school.

 

1977 - Teacher phones home to inform parent. Parent says child will be spoken to and punished at home, thanks teacher for call and politely requests that child can have a daily report to take home, to see if behaviour improves.

 

2007 - Teacher phones home. Parent insists that child IS in fact being targeted by the teacher contacting home, the teacher is lying and the boy is an absolute angel at home. Meantime, little 'Johnny' has legged it upstairs and has picked the extension up at home and is pressing all the buttons on the phone, making various 'tunes' up to prevent teacher and mother from talking to/hearing each other, and when the teacher continues to attempt to go ahead with conversation, Johnny then starts shouting at his mother down the phone to 'put the &^%@!£ phone down, you stupid cow.'

[Hallamton]

Are you actually being serious when you say the degree of planning a teacher needs to do at the moment is essential?

 

When my mum and dad work 9 hours a day at school to come home and do a further 3/4 hours writing out lesson plans and such so that someone can browse over them and say they've being doing there job I think there is room for argument. Teachers do not need to show people what or how they teach children in such a definate way, as long as they get results. And as for training courses to show people how to teach, they're as much of a joke. The idealistic view you have shows you musn't have much experience on what they actually expect from you. Every person is different and you can't teach some sort of universal way of teaching children.

 

-Michael

[DIVA]

A degree of planning is essential to all good lessons. The idea, in theory, is not to plan purely so someone can see evidence of it, but to provide a stimulating and appropriate lesson, where students clearly feel like they've learnt something. Obviously, some teachers plan more than others, depending on numerous factors. Unfortunately, Hallamton, the facts are that teachers do now need to show people what or how they teach, irrespective of results, whether teachers like it or not, and this is one of the reasons that the large scale exitting by good teachers in the profession I referred to is occurring, because after a day's work, which is becoming increasingly stressful and demanding, they don't want to do another 2-6 hours at home, at the expense of their health and their family and social-life.

 

Training courses vary in standard. The majority of them come nowhere near to the standard of training you receive from studying a formal teaching qualification at a well-graded institution. There is a vast array of 'universal basics' that can be taught, or else a teaching qualification would be of little use, and the more a prospective teacher has of these to add to his/her amoury, the more chance of success in the classroom they will have. Every child is unique, agreed, but without the theory and huge amount of background knowledge required, you stand little chance of tailoring the education to the child's individual needs. 30 years ago, when young people weren't as demanding, questionning, and vociferous, it was a different ballgame, young people had respect for teachers and rarely questioned what or how they were being taught. Today's classroom requires teachers with the full armoury.

[Hallamton]

30 years ago, when young people weren't as demanding, questionning, and vociferous, it was a different ballgame, young people had respect for teachers and rarely questioned what or how they were being taught. Today's classroom requires teachers with the full armoury.

 

Is this just your opinion or fact because I think you're getting the two mixed up. As I've said earlier in my post, it's interesting to see what older geenerations perceptions of education are and I think you have clearly shown that. I know I have my own opinon but I also have the knowledge and views of a lot of teachers who all share a particular view on education.

 

-Michael

[DIVA]

Is this just your opinion or fact because I think you're getting the two mixed up. ....I know I have my own opinon but I also have the knowledge and views of a lot of teachers who all share a particular view on education.

 

-Michael

 

I could also say the same.

 

I try not to let things get personal, instead stick to putting my argument forward. I try not to disparage others, or accuse them of knowing less about a subject than myself, or accuse them of having less experience than me in the matter because I disagree with them. However, this is the third time that you have done so to me, so I felt there was a need to mention this. It speaks volumes that you have resorted to these tactics and your arguments rely less and less on rational argument and more on personal comments, until your last one, where you have not made any rational comment that addresses the response I gave you.

 

To answer your question, it is my opinion, based on the facts.

[Longcol]

What about this one?

 

Child is repeatedly misbehaving, rude, and disruptive in school.

 

1977 - Teacher phones home to inform parent. Parent says child will be spoken to and punished at home, thanks teacher for call and politely requests that child can have a daily report to take home, to see if behaviour improves.

 

 

I wonder what percentage of people had phones at home in 1977.

 

And naturally a bloke working shifts in the steelworks would have done all the above.................not.

 

Perhaps DIVA should visit the "History & Expats" section for a taste of what life was like.

[DIVA]

I wonder what percentage of people had phones at home in 1977.

 

And naturally a bloke working shifts in the steelworks would have done all the above.................not.

 

Perhaps DIVA should visit the "History & Expats" section for a taste of what life was like.

 

1. If you're intrigued, why not find out, I'm sure you have the means.

 

2. Was the parent a bloke who works in the steelworks? Seems you know more than me.

 

3. What so you can follow me there, too?

[Hallamton]

I just dislike people who put forward there argument as fact when it's purely opinion. I'm not trying to make this personal, after all everyone's entitled to an opinion. I'm just trying to say that I know a lot of people quick to assume education has got better/worse without actually looking into what makes good education. I find it hard to believe that anyone can be a teacher, I think it takes more than just a bit of training here and there to give someone the title of being qualified. I've given proof of this too. So far you've pretty much repeated your argument without really giving up much information as to why you have this opinion. And you seem quite naive on a lot of the subject. Sorry if I have offended you and I'll try and revise my posts a bit before submitting them.

 

-Michael

[DIVA]

I just dislike people who put forward there argument as fact when it's purely opinion. I'm not trying to make this personal, after all everyone's entitled to an opinion. I'm just trying to say that I know a lot of people quick to assume education has got better/worse without actually looking into what makes good education. I find it hard to believe that anyone can be a teacher, I think it takes more than just a bit of training here and there to give someone the title of being qualified. I've given proof of this too. So far you've pretty much repeated your argument without really giving up much information as to why you have this opinion. And you seem quite naive on a lot of the subject. Sorry if I have offended you and I'll try and revise my posts a bit before submitting them.

 

-Michael

You might dislike what I have said, but to claim you dislike me as a person, because I have said things you don't agree with, when you obviously know very little about me, is quite sad.

You constantly misread or misinterpret what I am saying, and often even agree with what I have previously said, as if you're the person to say it. You say my opinions seem naive to you, I feel your posts are the ones that are naive and demonstrate a lack of understanding of the current system. I'm afraid, there is only so far I can go without feeling that I am wasting my time, and in this case the limit has been reached. Please, take that exactly how it suits you, as your previous comments indicate, you will. You're right, I have not told you what my personal experience on the subect is, which makes your comments even more ridiculous.

[Hallamton]

I don't know how it makes my posts rediculous but anyhow I'm sorry once again if I've upset you. There is nothing sad about disliking certain character traits in people, I merely stated that.

 

-Michael