St Luke's bid for Graves Park / Norton Nurseries

[SHYTOT 10]

Didnt the old Chief Executive notice??

 

Yes they have a new chief and it was announced on Radio Sheffield that they were spending a staggering £700,000 to move the facilities from Beighton into the Eccleshall site. Very odd things to do if you are claiming the existing site is too small and you are expecting a move into Graves Park.

[2wentypence 10]

Yes they have a new chief and it was announced on Radio Sheffield that they were spending a staggering £700,000 to move the facilities from Beighton into the Eccleshall site. Very odd things to do if you are claiming the existing site is too small and you are expecting a move into Graves Park.

 

New Chief Executives like to make big announcements...

[2wentypence 10]

I think this is a really difficult one. I don't think anyone should be allowed to build on our parkland, however it is a worthy cause.

 

Its not difficult at all!!

 

Nobody should be allowed to build on our parkland - if that is what is on the cards. Lets not be sentimental about this.

Charities get lots of financial breaks as it is.

[SHYTOT 10]

That is right. No one is saying St Lukes should not be relocated into a suitable new site. But that should not be at the expense of our public parks. Graves Park, Concorde Park, Firth Park and most of the others were gifts to the people of Sheffield. TO BE MAINTAINED AS PARKLAND FOREVER. These were precious gifts and would never have been given if the benefactors had know that the City Council would make repeated attempts to cash in on their gifts. Someone asked where the modern benefactors are. There aren't any, because they know their gifts would be missused.

Everyone wants St Lukes to prosper. But that must not be at the expense of land that is not the councils to give.

[Camz 10]

That is right. No one is saying St Lukes should not be relocated into a suitable new site. But that should not be at the expense of our public parks. Graves Park, Concorde Park, Firth Park and most of the others were gifts to the people of Sheffield. TO BE MAINTAINED AS PARKLAND FOREVER. These were precious gifts and would never have been given if the benefactors had know that the City Council would make repeated attempts to cash in on their gifts. Someone asked where the modern benefactors are. There aren't any, because they know their gifts would be missused.

Everyone wants St Lukes to prosper. But that must not be at the expense of land that is not the councils to give.

 

 

What A Sorry state of affairs is our Local Council up to, this appears to be No more than "Emotional Blackmail".

 

No prize for guessing who would reap the cash from any sale of the existing Hospice...

[Greybeard 10]

No prize for guessing who would reap the cash from any sale of the existing Hospice...

 

Does this mean SCC own the current St. Lukes site ? I've read through the whole thread and can't see anything definite, although there is a great deal of assumption.

 

I'm more inclined to believe St. Lukes own their current site merely on the grounds that they will need a great deal of cash to relocate and build a new hospice anywhere and the sale of their current site would provide this.

 

The essential point is do SCC have the right to use part of Graves Park for any purpose other than what the original benefactor intened, - ie public amenity.

[cgksheff 44]

"The buildings at Little Common Lane are erected on freehold land donated to St Luke's subject to its continuing use as a nursing home. No attempt has been made to put a value on this asset."

 

Accounts submitted to Charities Commission

 

The Freehold Site is therefore only owned by St Lukes for use as a hospice and one could assume that it would revert back to the benefactor if St Lukes were to move from the site.

 

St Lukes have also stated that if a new site were identified, their next step would be a massive fund-raising effort to pay for the new hospice.

[Speckled Hen 10]

Graves Park is a charity in its own right. Charity number 510841. According to the Central Register its object is "FOR THE RECREATION OF THE PUBLIC AS PUBLIC WALKS OR PLEASURE GROUNDSOR AS OPEN SPACE WITHIN THE MEANING OF THE OPEN SPACES ACT 1906". It does not say anything about giving away its assets to other charities regardless of how good the cause. As Sheffield Councillors are trustees of the "Graves Park" charity and not the "St Lukes" charity, they would be acting outside the requirement of the Charities Act if they were to give away assetts of the Graves Park charity. As you say St Lukes will be starting a massive fund raising campaign and the City Council is perfectly free to make a donation to the funds. It is not free to give away assetts that already belong to another charity just because they are trustees. (The word trustee suggests they are to be trusted!!!!!)

[SHYTOT 10]

"The buildings at Little Common Lane are erected on freehold land donated to St Luke's subject to its continuing use as a nursing home. No attempt has been made to put a value on this asset."

 

Accounts submitted to Charities Commission

 

The Freehold Site is therefore only owned by St Lukes for use as a hospice and one could assume that it would revert back to the benefactor if St Lukes were to move from the site.

 

St Lukes have also stated that if a new site were identified, their next step would be a massive fund-raising effort to pay for the new hospice.

 

I presume that who ever donated the land to St Lukes in the first place is a supporter of that cause. It seems likely that when the site is sold that particular benefactor would make a donation from the proceeds or even finance buying a new site.

 

There are benefactors out there. J G Graves was one. His wish was that Graves Park be used as a public park forever. He also set up the J G Graves Charitable trust to make donations "For the benefit of the sick and poor" amongst other things. I am sure St Lukes will already have approached them for help. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE JG GRAVES CHARITABLE TRUST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GRAVES PARK, AND IT IS NOT IN THEIR POWER TO GIVE AWAY LAND THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY GIVEN BY GRAVES FOR OTHER PURPOSES. They could of course make a contribution to buying a suitable site such as Lightwood Aerodrome.

[cgksheff 44]

I presume that who ever donated the land to St Lukes in the first place is a supporter of that cause. It seems likely that when the site is sold that particular benefactor would make a donation from the proceeds or even finance buying a new site.

 

 

Unless the "benefactor" is Sheffield City Council and a simple land swap would be part of the deal?

[SHYTOT 10]

Unless the "benefactor" is Sheffield City Council and a simple land swap would be part of the deal?

 

You are a very suspicious man. However that does not mean you are not correct. When you smell a rat it usually means that one is right under your nose.

 

You can bet any deal involving the Council will be for their benefit rather than in the best interest of St Lukes and its patients.

[Tony 10]

You can bet any deal involving the Council will be for their benefit rather than in the best interest of St Lukes and its patients.

That is because the Council has a legal duty to do just that.