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18-02-2011, 12:56   #1021
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OK, you've convinced me. What should we do?
Good question.
Better than the all too popular "There's nowt we can do" response.

You are a bright girl ,what do you think we should do ?
 
18-02-2011, 13:25   #1022
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Good question.
Better than the all too popular "There's nowt we can do" response.

You are a bright girl ,what do you think we should do ?
Obtain confessions from any of the many people involved in the original operation and/or the cover up. How, I don't know - they shouldn't be too hard to identify, even someone who has taken hush money from the conspirators at a push. But that's about the only thing that would seal it in the public mind, and something the snewsmedia could not ignore.
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While ever people are harping on about conspiracies re 9/11 and 7/7 and trying to salve the consciences of all muslim sympathisers the real culprits are sat back laughing,as for the anonymous witness nothing strange there ,if her identity were released I doubt she would last 5 minutes,see thats one theory blown away in a rather simple fashion
Its people like these on here who are agreeing with the conspiracy theorists that allows the real terrorists to go undetected,to put it bluntly you are talking a load of <REMOVED>.

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I wonder though ,it seems you suggest they would be ashamed of what they were doing ,to want- not to be identified.
Is that why they avoided being seen the on the 'israeli owned,london security cctv' ?
Of course they would, or at least should be easily identified .The evidence is very lacking.Still.

The theory and information provided by 'Sheaf-Field' (below) makes for a much better explanation than the official account based on all the evidence available.

Shame our puppet media never seem to look into these issues..

Quote; Sheaf-Field.
"You all are aware, I hope, of a character named Martin McDaid?



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They worked in same bookshop

A FORMER Royal Marine, who converted to Islam, last night denied preaching violence to the four London bombers.

Martin McDaid, who also served in the Special Boat Service, said he knew the four terrorists but had no negative involvement with them and was totally against violence.

...

The bearded ex-squaddie said he had served in the Royal Marines for 10 years.

"I'm an ex-anti-terrorist operator. I spent one and a half years with the Special Forces - with the Special Boat Service. I finished nearly 15 years ago."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-15760968/


Converted to Islam my arse. And ex-anti-terror? I'm sure he worked for that crowd, but they are pro-terror. "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength."

He (McDaid) says he didn't preach violence but Martin Gilbertson contradicts him. Mr Gilbertson was ignored by the police and MI5:-



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Gilbertson, a dab hand with technology, found himself drawn into helping the group secure their e-mails and computers from prying eyes. He helped, too, with the production of anti-western videos and DVDs. It was a world of jihadi websites and film “presentations” depicting supposed crimes by the West against Muslims.

GILBERTSON’S main point of contact was McDaid, who had turned to Islam in 2000 and learnt Arabic. He had the zeal of a convert. “McDaid did most of the talking, most of the ranting and raving,” said Gilbertson.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle679036.ece


And where is Martin McDaid now? Nobody appears to know. Other than MI5/6, who must know.

If you are looking for who arranged the bathroom of the rented property in Leeds to look like a bomb-making factory, you need look no further than McDaid, who had the expertise and was allowed to use Khan's car, etc.

The property itself belonged to an Egyptian, who McDaid claimed had nothing to do with all this and was a "sweet person". Obviously another agent and colleague of McDaid in the employ of the (IN-)Security (DIS-)Services.



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On the BBC Newshour programme Charles Shoebridge, a former detective with the Metropolitan Police, stated, “The amount of information coming out and the quality of information coming out. The fact that that has been so consistently overlooked it would appear by the security service MI5, to me suggests really only one of two options. Either, a) we’ve got a level of incompetence that would be unusual even for the security services. But b) possibly, and this is a possibility, that this man Khan may even have been working as an informant for the security service. It is difficult otherwise to see how it can be that they’ve so covered his tracks in the interim.” (Watson, 6/2006)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7889687/Th...ondon-Bombings


It all stinks to high heaven.


<snip Muad'Dibs nonsense>


As for Tanweer's alleged "girlfriend". What's her name? No-one's bothered to mention she's an ANONYMOUS witness. If you know enough of the murky context surrounding 7/7, involving MI5 and "ex"-special forces members and military-grade explosives and Ian Blair's, Tony Blair's and Mossad's foreknowledge, then you can't POSSIBLY take an anonymous "testimony" seriously. Especially so when delivered at a so-called "inquest" where the outcome was acknowledged by those overseeing it to be pre-determined from the very start - the four Muslims "did it", and not up for debate.

Theatre. MI5 are very good at it.
What does the CCTV being Israeli made have anything to do with it?

Sheaf - Field's "theory" isn't at all convincing

Are ex forces people automatically recruited to the security services - in this case just in case they happened to need some Muslims 15 years after he'd left the service? Don't be silly.

Gilbertson's full story is interesting rather than just the piece quoted by the Times - he is pretty sure the bombers were Muslims from Leeds.

http://www.officialconfusion.com/77/...ilbertson.html

As above by Glamrocker, Tanweer's GF will be kept anonymous to keep her away from the attention of knuckle draggers bent on revenge.
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19-02-2011, 00:02   #1025
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You all are aware, I hope, of a character named Martin McDaid?

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They worked in same bookshop

A FORMER Royal Marine, who converted to Islam, last night denied preaching violence to the four London bombers.

Martin McDaid, who also served in the Special Boat Service, said he knew the four terrorists but had no negative involvement with them and was totally against violence.

...

The bearded ex-squaddie said he had served in the Royal Marines for 10 years.

"I'm an ex-anti-terrorist operator. I spent one and a half years with the Special Forces - with the Special Boat Service. I finished nearly 15 years ago."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-15760968/

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Converted to Islam my arse. And ex-anti-terror? I'm sure he worked for that crowd, but they are pro-terror. "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength."

He (McDaid) says he didn't preach violence but Martin Gilbertson contradicts him. Mr Gilbertson was ignored by the police and MI5:-

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Gilbertson, a dab hand with technology, found himself drawn into helping the group secure their e-mails and computers from prying eyes. He helped, too, with the production of anti-western videos and DVDs. It was a world of jihadi websites and film “presentations” depicting supposed crimes by the West against Muslims.

GILBERTSON’S main point of contact was McDaid, who had turned to Islam in 2000 and learnt Arabic. He had the zeal of a convert. “McDaid did most of the talking, most of the ranting and raving,” said Gilbertson.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle679036.ece

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And where is Martin McDaid now? Nobody appears to know. Other than MI5/6, who must know.

If you are looking for who arranged the bathroom of the rented property in Leeds to look like a bomb-making factory, you need look no further than McDaid, who had the expertise and was allowed to use Khan's car, etc.

The property itself belonged to an Egyptian, who McDaid claimed had nothing to do with all this and was a "sweet person". Obviously another agent and colleague of McDaid in the employ of the (IN-)Security (DIS-)Services.

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On the BBC Newshour programme Charles Shoebridge, a former detective with the Metropolitan Police, stated, “The amount of information coming out and the quality of information coming out. The fact that that has been so consistently overlooked it would appear by the security service MI5, to me suggests really only one of two options. Either, a) we’ve got a level of incompetence that would be unusual even for the security services. But b) possibly, and this is a possibility, that this man Khan may even have been working as an informant for the security service. It is difficult otherwise to see how it can be that they’ve so covered his tracks in the interim.” (Watson, 6/2006)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7889687/Th...ondon-Bombings

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It all stinks to high heaven.

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Dear reader,

I hope this finds you well, in good spirit and having a good day.

In the light of the recent revelation by Robert Verkaik, in The Independent newspaper of Thursday 21st May 2009 *, about the modus operandi of MI5 and the U.K. police, regarding the recruitment of young Muslims to infiltrate and report on other Muslims and Muslim groups, I have been asked to comment on how that might apply to the case of the alleged 7/7 bombers, and the government statements in the recent ISC report that has been furiously rejected as a whitewash, by the families of the 7/7 victims, according to the article by Gabriel Milland in the Daily Express of the previous day, Wednesday 20th May, 2009 **.

The ISC report states that Mohammed Siddique/Sidique Khan and Shazad/Shehzad Tanweer were known about, but were not considered to be a threat to the public. If they had both been recruited to work for MI5, then MI5 would obviously not consider them to be any threat, but rather to be an asset instead of a threat.

It has been suggested by ex-members of the intelligence services that Mohammed Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer could have been working for MI5, so this is not an unreasonable deduction to make, as it would explain what happened. The police also said that they did not fit the profile of suicide-bombers or terrorists. We have also been told that the mastermind behind the 7/7 bombings was Haroon Rashid Aswat, who is known to be a MI6 agent and is now in a maximum-security mental institution (to keep him from talking?).

It is possible that Mohammed Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer were actually working for MI5, as informants, in the Operation CREVICE fertilizer-bomb plot case that is referred to in the ISC report, and, if so, that would account for why they were known about, but not considered to be any threat. It would also explain how they could have easily been recruited to take part in the training-drill that was taking place on 7/7/2005, and easily have been duped into making those videos.

If this was what happened, then these assets became expendable assets. It should serve as a warning to all to be very careful about co-operating with elements of State intelligence services, who; from time to time; have helped to carry out false-flag attacks upon citizens for what they presumably and mistakenly perceive as "the greater good". You should all; including members of the intelligence services and the police; ask yourselves whether you find this acceptable and not keep burying your heads in the sand. Those who are not only thinking of their next pay-cheque, and little else, already see there is something terribly wrong with government and its organs and that something needs to be done about it. They have become your controllers instead of servants of you, the people (or is it sheople?).

In order to be a successful informant, one would have to pass off as an extremist or want-to-be terrorist. In doing so, elements within the intelligence services could easily begin to gather "evidence" about you, whilst they extract information about other people from you, and then frame you and use you as a patsy at a later time. Thus killing two (or more) birds with one stone, once they become fearful of how much you know, and/or they think it is time to further advance their agenda of total control and take away more of your God-given rights.

You do not need to succumb to blackmail and impersonate terrorists in order to do your duty as a citizen. That blackmail is being attempted upon people who have done nothing wrong, demonstrates that the Source for this idea/action is not God/good/Allah. And not very Brit-ish either. Or at least it wasn't once upon a time.

The British Government keeps on running away from the demand for an open and truly independent enquiry, and that strengthens the suspicion that it has something to hide. This state of denial; coupled with the low esteem in which the government and the whole political establishment is held, in the public's mind; provides a fertile ground for all kinds of hypotheses to be put forward, and be believed. The public believes that politicians lie; it now also is convinced that they cheat and deceive. It is, therefore, or should be, in the government's interest to apologise and confess that it does run covert operations, in pursuit of political aims. The whole saga of terrorism and counter terrorism may then be seen in a different perspective.

However, THEY*** are never going to do so voluntarily, as THEY will undoubtedly be afraid of going to prison, or worse. We therefore need to increase pressure on them to force their hand.

My film "7/7 Ripple Effect" was designed to do exactly that to them, if we can get the majority of the population to watch it.

Please keep making "Ripples" so that we achieve our objective as soon as possible, before THEY do it again.

I hope that this comment will be helpful to all concerned parties.

Peace be upon you and within you,

Muad'Dib.


* http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-1688618.html

** http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...MI5-whitewash-

*** The Hierarchy Enslaving You.

http://jforjustice.co.uk/MI5-7-7.html

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As for Tanweer's alleged "girlfriend". What's her name? No-one's bothered to mention she's an ANONYMOUS witness. If you know enough of the murky context surrounding 7/7, involving MI5 and "ex"-special forces members and military-grade explosives and Ian Blair's, Tony Blair's and Mossad's foreknowledge, then you can't POSSIBLY take an anonymous "testimony" seriously. Especially so when delivered at a so-called "inquest" where the outcome was acknowledged by those overseeing it to be pre-determined from the very start - the four Muslims "did it", and not up for debate.

Theatre. MI5 are very good at it.
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Agreed. The same group responsible for the ever-evolving explosive explanations (with their complicit mass media propaganda machine) after telling us they had ample amounts of it to test from the "explosive factory" (bathtub) in Leeds and the Nissan Micra.

Months of this so-called "inquest" and there has been NOTHING substantive offered in support of the government's official cover-story. Lots of drama. Zero evidence.

ALL theatre.

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19-02-2011, 00:42   #1026
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Agreed. The same group responsible for the ever-evolving explosive explanations (with their complicit mass media propaganda machine) after telling us they had ample amounts of it to test from the "explosive factory" (bathtub) in Leeds and the Nissan Micra.

Months of this so-called "inquest" and there has been NOTHING substantive offered in support of the government's official cover-story. Lots of drama. Zero evidence.

ALL theatre.
Wow - what a surprise - the "Friends of Muad'Dib" all agree with each other!

Zero evidence?

Evidence of the bomb factory.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12337575

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/fe...ly7-uksecurity

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...y-2201187.html

Plenty more on the inquest website.


I suppose this is the biggest audience the "Friends" can reach - after all SF is one of the top 20,000 most popular websites in the world.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/sheffieldforum.co.uk

Now let's compare this to the "Friends of Muad'Dib"

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/mtrial.org#

Not in the top 2 million! - hardly surprising when they push rubbish like this as "truth";

http://mtrial.org/muaddib/reasons
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19-02-2011, 01:00   #1027
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19-02-2011, 15:18   #1028
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Wow - what a surprise - the "Friends of Muad'Dib" all agree with each other!

Zero evidence?

Evidence of the bomb factory.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12337575

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/fe...ly7-uksecurity

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...y-2201187.html

Plenty more on the inquest website.

Fascinating information and further proof that the official narrative cannot stand up to the least bit of scrutiny.


How were hot plates connected to fans used to concentrate the hydrogen peroxide to get it to the necessary concentration?

How would the alleged terrorists know when they reached the correct concentration?

Did they have any training in this type of chemistry?

Why did it take so many years with supposedly so much of this leftover material to determine what it actually was? Forensics couldn't determine the difference between TATP and hydrogen peroxide-black pepper with several kilograms of this material to test?

Could black pepper-hydrogen peroxide bombs cause the damage that was actually witnessed on the tube trains and on the double-decker bus?

How do they explain away finding military grade plastic explosives at all 4 blast locations (which actually would be capable of doing the damage witnessed)?

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19-02-2011, 15:26   #1029
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Go on, you tell us the answers.
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Fascinating information and further proof that the official narrative cannot stand up to the least bit of scrutiny.


How were hot plates connected to fans used to concentrate the hydrogen peroxide to get it to the necessary concentration?

How would the alleged terrorists know when they reached the correct concentration?

Did they have any training in this type of chemistry?

Why did it take so many years with supposedly so much of this leftover material to determine what it actually was? Forensics couldn't determine the difference between TATP and hydrogen peroxide-black pepper with several kilograms of this material to test?

Could black pepper-hydrogen peroxide bombs cause the damage that was actually witnessed on the tube trains and on the double-decker bus?

How do they explain away finding military grade plastic explosives at all 4 blast locations (which actually would be capable of doing the damage witnessed)?
As you've already pointed out on this thread - the instructions on bomb making are widely available on the internet.

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/show...&postcount=228

Where is the evidence for finding military grade explosives - as I recall that was just speculation in the first days following the bombings.
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19-02-2011, 16:05   #1031
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Have any of the conspiracy theory supporters thought of asking the police's anti terrorist or special branch to explain and clarify matters for them ?
 
19-02-2011, 16:10   #1032
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What does the CCTV being Israeli made have anything to do with it?

Sheaf - Field's "theory" isn't at all convincing

Are ex forces people automatically recruited to the security services - in this case just in case they happened to need some Muslims 15 years after he'd left the service? Don't be silly.

Gilbertson's full story is interesting rather than just the piece quoted by the Times - he is pretty sure the bombers were Muslims from Leeds.

http://www.officialconfusion.com/77/...ilbertson.html

As above by Glamrocker, Tanweer's GF will be kept anonymous to keep her away from the attention of knuckle draggers bent on revenge.
Apparently, if the cctv is israeli made, only israeli eyes can view the screen properly. Or something.
 
19-02-2011, 16:16   #1033
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As you've already pointed out on this thread - the instructions on bomb making are widely available on the internet.

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/show...&postcount=228
But the post you have referenced doesn't even mention hydrogen peroxide-black pepper bombs, which government forensics are now telling us was "probably a novel mixture*" and thus the bomb making instructions for it wouldn't be available over the internet.

*Now we have been told ”The main charge was most probably a novel mixture comprising concentrated hydrogen peroxide together with additional compounds, which may have included a piperine-containing ingredient" by Kim Simpson, at the Government’s Forensic Explosives Laboratory at Sevenoaks (2 Feb am 59:6-9) at the inquest.

The thread you referenced does talk about highly unstable and highly volatile TATP, which is the explosive that the government previously told us the 4 alleged suicide bombers supposedly carried around in their rucksacks for hours on a hot summer day. At least the government told us this until this story also became untenable.

Not surprisingly, you even defended the government's previous story about TATP by telling us that must be why the 4 alleged suicide bombers supposedly purchased 15 bags of ice at ASDA.

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/show...&postcount=892

Why would they need ice if the explosive was hydrogen peroxide-black pepper bombs?

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Where is the evidence for finding military grade explosives - as I recall that was just speculation in the first days following the bombings.
http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-...tml#explosives

It's only considered "speculation" if it doesn't fit the latest evolution of the official government cover-story. The reality is REAL forensic experts told us soon after the bombings what they ACTUALLY found at the blast locations, which matches the damage observed from the explosions. When it became obvious that the 4 alleged suicide bombers wouldn't have access to military grade plastic explosives, the government went into damage control mode to quickly dismiss this real evidence in favour of any new theory that might fit.

This initially resulted in home-made explosives made of TATP, which is a WHITE substance. In fact, the introduction of ANY impurities would make the highly volatile TATP even more unstable. Photographs of the material present in the Luton car-park appeared on 26th of July 2005, released by ABC News in America. It showed white explosive material.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4722775.stm

We were told on 22 July 2005, that the ‘preliminary analysis’ had found ‘traces of TATP’ both at the site in Leeds and at the scenes, according to the prestigious Jane’s Defence Weekly.

http://www.officialconfusion.com/77/...janestatp.html

But that story had a number of major flaws also, including the fact that TATP is highly unstable and it is extremely unlikely that anyone could have successfully made the quantity that was reported, or transported them on a hot summer day, without blowing themselves up. So the official government cover-story then changed to hydrogen peroxide-black pepper bombs and they have now provided us with photos of some sandy looking material in the bathtub at the apartment in Leeds for the inquest, as if no one will remember that they previously reported the explosive substance to be white.

http://7julyinquests.independent.gov.../INQ9556-4.pdf


So which is it?


In the photos of the bathtub, and all rest of the so-called "bomb factory" in Leeds, where is the low-pressure fractional distillation equipment that would be required to concentrate the hydrogen peroxide? Where are the precision scales and balances that would be necessary to determine when the desired concentration was reached? Where are the books, notes or manuals that were used to derive all of this knowledge if we are really to believe that these 4 came up with some "novel mixture.."?

If anyone wants to revert back to the government's previous story about TATP, where are the large refrigerators that would be needed to store the material?


Over 5 1/2 years later, with ample amounts of this supposed homemade explosive material to test, and no one knows what actually caused the explosions on the 3 London underground tube trains and the double-decker bus?

The government is either incompetent or complicit. Either way they are untrustworthy.

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This is the equivalent of Barack Obama sending the White House spokesman to court, to defend Obama from serious accusations made against him. THIS, is how "seriously" MI5 treats the 7/7 "inquest".


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7/7 families' anger at MI5 'substitute' witness


Families of 7/7 victims today expressed anger at MI5 for choosing an officer who was not involved in the investigation to give evidence at the inquests.

They demanded to know why the agency failed to put up officers involved in tracking the ringleader of the bombers and attacked it for sending a 'substitute'.

The spy, referred to only as witness G, will appear at the Royal Courts of Justice today, and will be asked about whether the atrocities could have been prevented.

It is the first time anyone from MI5 has been publicly questioned about the 2005 attacks.

But Graham Foulkes, whose son David, 22, died in the Edgware Road blast, said the officer will not be able to give bereaved relatives the answers they need.

He said: "The person who was running anti-terrorism from 2004, the person who is an expert in Islamic terrorism, that person should be the one giving evidence today. Instead they are putting up somebody else who has nothing to do with any of it. I just fail to understand it. The person we want to hear from is still alive and well and working for MI5, so why send a substitute? None of the families are happy about it."

Witness G, who is chief of staff to MI5 director general Jonathan Evans, will defend MI5's failure to launch a full investigation into 7/7 ringleader Mohammed Sidique Khan and his number two Shehzad Tanweer after they were seen meeting known terror suspects.

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Mr Foulkes, 58, from Saddleworth, north of Manchester, added: "I would like MI5 to admit their mistakes. I want an explanation as to why they said Mohammed Sidique Khan was a clean skin just after the bombings when they knew full well at that point that he was not. They have failed, they have lied and they are not being held to account."

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ute-witness.do

And this man Foulkes is one of the most pro-official conspiracy theory of 7/7 bereaved family members, and one of the few they allow on TV and whose statements are printed by newspapers.

The answers to his questions, which MI5 refuse to provide him with, can be found in 7/7 Ripple Effect. And the maker of that film is in prison on ludicrous trumped-up charges, as the establishment does all it can to cover-up the truth and to scare others from speaking up by making an example of John Hill. http://mtrial.org
 
21-02-2011, 17:41   #1035
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MI5 are answering questions at an inquest. They are not there to make a defence of anything or anybody, they are just there to answer questions.


By the way, nobody has yet been able to tell us why The Messiah Muabdib John Anthony Hill supposedly didn't attend his court hearing.

Has he been sectioned or did he refuse to go?
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23-02-2011, 00:11   #1036
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The answers to his questions, which MI5 refuse to provide him with, can be found in 7/7 Ripple Effect. And the maker of that film is in prison on ludicrous trumped-up charges, as the establishment does all it can to cover-up the truth and to scare others from speaking up by making an example of John Hill. http://mtrial.org
I thought that was a comedy website.

http://mtrial.org/muaddib/reasons
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when is this pro jihadist thread getting shut down?
 
23-02-2011, 00:35   #1038
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when is this pro jihadist thread getting shut down?
Pro jihadist

Nah - some conspiracy theorists who think this bloke is the Messiah.

http://mtrial.org/muaddib/reasons

Trying to either;

a) Recruit some gullible people to their cult.

or;

b) Trying out some "new" theories for the Ripple Effect version two.
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23-02-2011, 06:37   #1039
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How do they explain away finding military grade plastic explosives at all 4 blast locations (which actually would be capable of doing the damage witnessed)?
There weren't any military grade explosives found at the site of these explosions.

We dealt with that weeks ago. Have you uncovered some new evidence?
Let's see it then.
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06-03-2011, 09:37   #1040
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There weren't any military grade explosives found at the site of these explosions.

We dealt with that weeks ago. Have you uncovered some new evidence?
Let's see it then.
From: 7/7 Inquest: Analysis of New CCTV and Phone Evidence
http://wideshut.co.uk/77-inquest-ana...hone-evidence/


However immediately after the attacks when forensics had taken samples, explosives experts, forensic scientists, police and intelligence officials all went on record to the media testifying that high grade (possibly military) explosives were used. As Ian Blair, Metropolitan Police commissioner said at the time: the bombs “certainly were not homemade”.[2]

On July 12th leading British explosives expert Prof Hans Michels said, “the perpetrators acquired either military or high-quality commercial explosives, possibly from eastern Europe…the power of the explosions pointed to the use of high-level explosive material.” [3]

Forensic Scientists informed The Times that – “Traces of military plastic explosive, more deadly and efficient than commercial varieties are understood to have been found in the debris”…according to one scientist homemade explosives can be made, “but not of the design and sophistication of these devices…the bomb maker has highly developed skill”.
And according to French Anti-Terrorism chief Superintendent Christophe Chaboud, who was assisting Scotland Yard, the bombs were of “military origin” and they were obtained “Either by trafficking, for example, in the Balkans, or they had someone on the inside…of the military establishment.” [3]

It’s possible that both homemade and high-grade explosives were used, but the government seem to only want to address the homemade theory.
 
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