Tallyman   10 #1 Posted April 25, 2008 (edited) Well, it's been a hard challenge and no mistake - it's taken all month to try and work something out. Thanks Mantaspook  GL Note: The theme for April was 'The unreliable narrator.'  Comments and suggestions welcome of course. Just remember, the opinions of the narrator are not necessarily those of the author...  Here is My April contribution Edited July 12, 2009 by Mantaspook Updating link to new server Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
coyleys   10 #2 Posted April 25, 2008 Excellent, just excellent. The only thing I would alter would be the names. The main character would be Josef (no surname, so as not to give the plot away) and his brother would be Karl or Alos, having said that neither of Josefâs brothers died in the war so we would have to rearrange that somehow. A truly great story.  Right Iâll have a look at Mantas contribution now. My contribution will be Sat or Sun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tallyman   10 #3 Posted April 27, 2008 Thank you, Coyleys, for your very kind words. They're much appreciated  Thank you also for the suggestions you raised. I've already PM'd you with a response, but will wait a few more days before saying anything about it in the forum.  This theme has been great for creating paranoia - I've got a vision of us all holding our plots tightly to our chests in case anyone tries to peek at the endings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
scotty225 Â Â 10 #4 Posted April 27, 2008 Absolutly brilliant story and a very well hidden ending, very clever. The name was gift to the tale was'nt it. I feel you over explained the ending a little though as once I got the twist, more was too much. You realy no how to get to the reader though and I was comletely in the wrong direction until the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tallyman   10 #5 Posted April 27, 2008 Many thanks Scotty, I've PM'd you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Mantaspook   14 #6 Posted April 28, 2008 Hi Tallyman,  Another well written story, good misdirection at the start when quoting the famous line from Wilfred Owen's famous poem, Dulce et Decorum Est, so we assume we know the nationality of the narrator.  When the narrator proudly boasts of his patriotism he makes it sound like an honorable thing, but there is a subtle undercurrent of fanaticism when he speaks of being "cocooned in a warming blanket of duty." - a very good choice of words there, cocooned in his own little world where human morals have been suspended, the animals cocooned in their world, in this context, trapped in an constricted, inescapable situation.  This is also a story of contrasts; what makes the narrator particularly repellent is the notion that he professes his love for his brother, (and his country, his parents, even the very concept of dying for some noble cause) whilst in the very same brain there is absolutely nothing left of his humanity that extends to the animals.  The story could perhaps have benefited from a small foreboding moment when Frank is introduced. You'd have to be very subtle so as not to give the final twist away.  Something like:Every measurement must be checked, double checked and verified. Frank's writing is meticulous, lots of practice I expect, my assistants usually end up leaving after a short time, itâs the long hours that get them in the end, you need dedication in this jobâŠ"  The tempo of the story seemed just right, a steady, inevitable grind, as though the narrator has resigned himself to his joyless work because it doesn't enter his dull mind to do anything different. Whilst he is a doctor, striving to advance scientific knowledge, he does this with no conscience or humanity whatsoever.  I think the final line of the story is horribly brilliant.  It's debateable whether it could be improved upon, but I'm going to try, here is a final line with two punches, in order not to spoil the ending for the others, click the invisible text below to highlight.  "Like all the animals of Belsen I imagine the Frank girl had a first name, but it never really interested me." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tallyman   10 #7 Posted April 28, 2008 Mantaspook - Drat, drat and double drat! I wish I had thought of that alteration! Of course, it's a brilliant improvement to the last line  Thank you, also, for those very kind words, they are much appreciated.  I take your point about the foreboding moment, and that's the trouble when you're trying to write a story with a twist. Because you know it so well yourself, you become over-cautious about putting too many clues in. It's another reason why getting feedback is so useful.  Thanks again! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
espadrille   10 #8 Posted April 29, 2008 (edited) Hi  can you tell me how I get a password to read your article Edited July 12, 2009 by Mantaspook Removed quote containg null link. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
sauerkraut   10 #9 Posted April 29, 2008 Tallyman, goodness that was a chilling tale, and brilliantly written. It had exactly the desired effect of making me go back and read the whole thing again. Don't worry, you don't give too much away - you only realise what the clues are after you've seen the end. (Or I did, anyway).  Espadrille, you can PM Mantaspook for a password. There's a link about joining the writing group here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tallyman   10 #10 Posted April 29, 2008 Hi Espadrille  You need to be a member of the group to read other members' work - it's a simple process, and explained fully here. Join up - you'll get a warm welcome!  Cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tallyman   10 #11 Posted April 29, 2008 Tallyman, goodness that was a chilling tale, and brilliantly written. It had exactly the desired effect of making me go back and read the whole thing again. Don't worry, you don't give too much away - you only realise what the clues are after you've seen the end. (Or I did, anyway).  Thank you Sauerkraut Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Ron Blanco   10 #12 Posted April 30, 2008 Hi Tallyman,  The story will linger with me... now that I get it!!  But where to start?  At the end I think. I am going to expose my ignorance here, but first time through I didn't get it at all. Second time through I still didn't get it - but started to have suspicions about certain aspects. It was only upon reading the comments of Coyleys and Mantaspook that I saw it in a different light and twigged what the "Frank Girl" thing related to (and that was only because I remembered a particular house I visited in Amsterdam once).  It's clear that some people got it straight away. But whilst Coyleys was revelling in your story's hidden delights I was still scratching my head. Partly I think this is due to my inexperience at deciphering short stories, which is something I can learn, but partly it is due to a historical ignorance. For me it definitely needed the place name mentioned in Mantaspook's hidden comments to give me a hope of working it all out. At least it would give me something concrete to investigate. Coyleyâs name suggestion for Josef was also necessary for me and even then I only got that reference because a friend of mine has recently had difficulty explaining to people why heâd called his company âMingulay Technologiesâ. âItâs spelt differentlyâ â he explains â âitâs a Scottish Islandâ.  Mantaspook says "donât under-estimate the intelligence of the reader", but itâs difficult to know where to pitch it and without the othersâ assistance this story would have gone straight over my head.  Iâm still wondering if Michael also has a secret significance too. Does he?  In terms of âworking it outâ I'm noticing that some short stories are more akin to cryptic crosswords than novels and to some degree there are clues that you learn to look out for. I suppose I should focus more on moments where my reading jolts and instead of skipping over it I should stop and think âAha!! Letâs look closer at this bit.â A bit like the âDĂ©jĂ vuâ moment in âThe Matrixâ. In your story I jolted but skipped over this bit:  âwhat weâre doing with animals could save their human lives one dayâ  Referring to âtheir human livesâ rather than âhuman lifeâ is a bit odd and indicates someone who distinguishes between specific groups of humans. A clue there?  I also jolted the first time he referred to Frank as âherâ.  The biggest jolt came when he referred to the âmeagre possessionsâ of the animals, which became my main link to understanding the type of animals in question.  In terms of capturing the character of the man I would stab my finger at the brilliant section where he noticed Frank's mistake and over-reacted, like a mad scientist. I then just had to work out in which way he was mad. I thought that section was really excellent. Iâm not sure about the earlier reference to âMy Trusty Assistantâ though - not sure that fits.  I also wonder if your story could benefit from some âIâ surgery. I found this myself - when writing first person I kept writing âI did thisâ and âI did thatâ which seemed unavoidable at the time but I wonder if it could be smoothed out a little e.g.  âI had always wanted to be a Doctor, ever since I can rememberâ  Could be rewritten  âIt was my ambition from an early age to become a Doctorâ  You remember you suggested I reduce the number of 'Hi's in my story? Well donât think of this as tit-for-tat â more like âAn I for a Hiâ. Oh dear. However, of course you are at liberty to keep all the âIââs. They make it more staccato, which might suit the story better.  Also on a minor point, I thought there were a couple of dialogue bits where you forgot the lessons of last month:  âyesâ I tell the junior âyouâre tired Frankâ, I say âtime for my roundsâ I tell the orderly âyesâ I said  âyouâre rambling now Ronâ Tallyman says  I hope you donât mind my rambling, Tallyman. Iâve noticed that youâve put a lot of thought into giving feedback to others and as we all know, you reap what you sow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...