Hillsborough document release

You can't expect to write lies and for them not to go unchallenged. Every official investigation in to this myth has come back with the conclusion, based on the all the evidence available, that this was just that - a myth!

 

If you have some new evidence, that supports your statement, then please do share it.

 

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What time did the turnstiles open? According to this source - it was suggested that fans should aim to be in the ground for 2:45 - but people were already being pulled out up in to the stand then, weren't they?

 

https://thegreatcritique.wordpress.com/tag/hillsborough-disaster-hillsborough-lateness/

It is common knowledge in the football fraternity that fans used gain access to grounds without tickets, the Liverpool fans were famous for it. Kenny Dalglish made reference to this in his book, this is what was said at the inquest on 18th December 2014 -

Having quizzed Dalglish about what he had described in his autobiography as fans ‘bunking in’ to watch the 1986 FA Cup final against Everton at Wembley, John Beggs QC, representing some of the police officers involved, then drew the court’s attention to Home Office reports of ticket less and drunken Liverpool fans at the 1989 FA Cup final, the month after Hillsborough.

Did people bunk in?

‘I have no evidence of people bunking in at Wembley (in 1989),’ said Dalglish, who added that there was ‘a clamour’ across Merseyside to ‘show unity for those who had lost loved ones at Hillsborough’.

Heysel 1985- Liverpool fans drunk without tickets.

Athens 2007 - Liverpool fans 'UEFA spokesman William Gaillard said: "The incidents involving Liverpool fans have been well known to us before the trouble at the Champions League final which involved Liverpool fans last week.

"That was just the latest example. What other set of fans steal tickets from their fellow supporters or out of the hands of children?

It is common knowledge in the football fraternity that fans used gain access to grounds without tickets, the Liverpool fans were famous for it. Kenny Dalglish made reference to this in his book, this is what was said at the inquest on 18th December 2014 -

 

Having quizzed Dalglish about what he had described in his autobiography as fans ‘bunking in’ to watch the 1986 FA Cup final against Everton at Wembley, John Beggs QC, representing some of the police officers involved, then drew the court’s attention to Home Office reports of ticket less and drunken Liverpool fans at the 1989 FA Cup final, the month after Hillsborough.

Did people bunk in?

 

‘I have no evidence of people bunking in at Wembley (in 1989),’ said Dalglish, who added that there was ‘a clamour’ across Merseyside to ‘show unity for those who had lost loved ones at Hillsborough’.

 

Heysel 1985- Liverpool fans drunk without tickets.

 

Athens 2007 - Liverpool fans 'UEFA spokesman William Gaillard said: "The incidents involving Liverpool fans have been well known to us before the trouble at the Champions League final which involved Liverpool fans last week.

"That was just the latest example. What other set of fans steal tickets from their fellow supporters or out of the hands of children?

None of this supports your statement that, 'The difference for the ’89 match was more than usual supporters turned up without tickets',.

http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/repository/report/HIP_report.pdf

Taylor found no evidence to demonstrate that there was a ‘very significant body of ticketless fans in the crowd which built up’. He also dismissed the ‘slender evidence’ on which the ‘suggestion that fans without tickets conspired to arrive late and create such trouble as would force the police to admit them to the match’ was based.

Consistent with Lord Justice Taylor’s findings, the Panel found no evidence among the vast number of disclosed documents and many hours of video material to verify the serious allegations of exceptional levels of drunkenness, ticketlessness or violence among Liverpool fans.

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Heysel 1985- Liverpool fans drunk without tickets.

That's a strange way to describe that tragedy.

What actually happened is that a supposedly neutral zone on the terraces was filled mainly with expatriate Juventus fans. With the two groups closer than planned, confrontation and missile throwing built up leading to the disaster. Ticketlessness per se was not the real point.

So in summary they 'bunked' in for the 1986 final, they arrived in Athens with no tickets, but for some reason did not do it at Hillsborough....hmmm.