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We had no choice in allowing them to come here, we did however demand that they showed their passport when doing so.

 

Amazingly, countries that ARE part of Schengen (so no passport) have managed to restrict benefits to migrants from within the EU rather effectively. Ergo, the Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Belgium, Luxembourg and several others.

 

Keep up the dream Penny.

 

The Schengen idea concrens me how do such countries deal with crime ?

 

Do something in one country head too the next one no passport control so no checks so how do they know who's crossing the border that day ?

The Schengen idea concrens me how do such countries deal with crime ?

 

Do something in one country head too the next one no passport control so no checks so how do they know who's crossing the border that day ?

 

Close to 100% of people crossing a border each day won’t be doing so for criminal reasons. So why disrupt the vast majority in their daily lives?

 

It’s a trade-off really but that becomes very important when economies mingled together across borders.

 

Eire/NI is a good example: once you close the border you will actually create new crime opportunities.

Yes, during August and it saves tons of their workforce all booking leave at the same time to go on holiday.

 

If you read the article properly you would see that the summer shutdown has been brought forward six months due to not knowing what will happen after March 29th. thereby minimising any disruption to production (like not being able to get their Diesel engines from Austria or ship completed cars to Germany.)

Don't you think it makes sense then and is the obvious thing to do?

Yes, during August and it saves tons of their workforce all booking leave at the same time to go on holiday.

 

If you read the article properly you would see that the summer shutdown has been brought forward six months due to not knowing what will happen after March 29th. thereby minimising any disruption to production (like not being able to get their Diesel engines from Austria or ship completed cars to Germany.)

 

But you said:

 

Why on earth is the government just standing by watching this nonsense happening?

 

Why should the government be concerned when Mini have their annual shutdown?

Why should the government be concerned when Mini have their annual shutdown?

 

.. because the shutdown has moved as a result of government incompetance re:Brexit?

 

It's fairly obvious this is significant

.. because the shutdown has moved as a result of government incompetance re:Brexit?

 

It's fairly obvious this is significant

 

Only if you want it to be.

 

When they started the annual shutdown process in 2009 it only made the local Oxford news. But now they are moving the date six months, it's a big thing? Sorry, this is a case of people desperately looking for negatives in what is just a sensible business plan.

 

“While we believe this worst case scenario is an unlikely outcome, we have to plan for it.”

 

The spokesperson added: “We remain committed to our operations in Britain, which is the only country in the world where we manufacture for all three of our automotive brands.”

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/bmw-car-plant-brexit-day-29-oxford-jobs-factory-a8542996.html

The Schengen idea concrens me how do such countries deal with crime ?

 

Do something in one country head too the next one no passport control so no checks so how do they know who's crossing the border that day ?

Here is a little insight into answering your question. That’s a bit of the statutory setup about how Schengen is policed collaboratively, I’m going to let you start from there with using this nifty bit of kit called a “search engine”.

 

Wholly unsurprisingly, it’s not the reductive “free for all” portrayed by the red tops for the past decade and longer (behind the ‘free for all’ scene, there’s a complex web of directives, rules, agencies, systems, etc. - the sum total of which enables the ‘free for all’ to work: oversimplification never gets you anywhere); nor is it difficult to independently find factual information to sate one’s curiosity about all things EU.

 

Since the U.K. is proposing to exit without an agreement (or to exit with an agreement but without EUCJ oversight), the UK automatically loses access to those systems and data (and related ones, like eg Europol). By the way. Which is why the head of the (or some) U.K. police force recently claimed that Brexit would effectively wipe out all the progress achieved in U.K. policing through the last 10+ years of digitisation. But well, what does he know, eh?

Edited September 20, 2018 by L00b

ERG proposals in full

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A couple of questions for the Remainers:

 

What is happening about the EU defence force, and EU wide Income Tax: Who is being invited to apply for future membership; will the Euro and Schengen become membership requirements, and could the current tarrifs be raised, lowered or removed?

A couple of questions for the Remainers:

 

What is happening about the EU defence force, and EU wide Income Tax: Who is being invited to apply for future membership; will the Euro and Schengen become membership requirements, and could the current tarrifs be raised, lowered or removed?

 

Given we're now leaving - who cares? The EU defence force will be nothing more than sharing resources, "can we borrow your aircraft carrier, we need some troops the fly somewhere, can we borrow a plane". Or it could be to cover skills gaps.Our personnel numbers have halved since 2001 and I've no reason to think other European countries won't be the same, so it spreads the cost out I guess.

 

Joining the euro will be a definite if someone new wants to join (or rejoin) and possibly schengen, depending on what form it takes at the time.

 

Turkey won't be joining despite Boris Johnson's best efforts to convince them to way back before he changed his mind. What tariffs are you on about? Tariffs like the ones for chinese steel that the EU wanted to impose but the UK vetoed or somethibg else?

A couple of questions for the Remainers:

 

What is happening about the EU defence force, and EU wide Income Tax: Who is being invited to apply for future membership; will the Euro and Schengen become membership requirements, and could the current tarrifs be raised, lowered or removed?

EU defence force: still at the same talking shop stage, but dusted off (a bit) after Trump’s anti-NATO noises.

 

EU-wide income tax: ain’t going to happen for years (and years) yet. Taxation is still a sovereign attribute of each EU member state, and few (none, really) are ready and willing to pool it. If it happens (if), it will be in the Eurozone first (and maybe only).

 

I’d say Ukraine is the likeliest next EU member, unless one of the EEA states wants further in before (and that’s never going to be Norway or the Swiss). Timescale in years all the same. No, Turkey isn’t getting in for donkeys years yet: cat in hell’s chances territory, so long as Erdolf remains in power and the northern Cyprus ‘issue’ remains unresolved.

 

The € and Schengen membership are already mandatory requirements for (new) EU membership. Meaning that if the U.K. exits in March 2019 (ie unless Brexit is cancelled), you’re never getting back into the EU without them. #youwerewarned

 

Which country’s (or region’s) tariffs do you mean? Or do you mean WTO rates? And under what scenario: Norway model, Canada model, WTO baseline?

 

---------- Post added 20-09-2018 at 13:58 ----------

 

Well, it’s official: to the surprise of absolutely no one, Tusk just killed off Chequers.

 

More problematically for Theresa, he’s also nixed the November Brexit EU summit if she doesn’t sort out the RoI/NI issue by mid-October.

 

That Conservatives party conference is going to be lively!

Edited September 20, 2018 by L00b

One for the remainers if the EU has such appeal why haven't Norway who had an referendum on joining said no , Iceland toyed with the idea but put negotiations on hold. Switzerland the one country I really thought would go for it with their banking but no. They have agreements with the EU yes but not really interested in going the full hog. The counties that have recently joined are poor ones I hear Ukraine is wanting to join the club I wounder how Putin feels about that ?