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Money (or lack of it) is one of the main problems in getting any extension off the drawing board but also is the lack of vision on the part of the council and the PTE

 

The workplace levy is a great idea but not if the cost is covered by the employer which rather defeats the purpose

 

From what I remember the last time there was talk of extending (not the Rotherham bit) the residents were not happy

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So in Nottingham when I was working at Boots (which is actually well out of town), everyone who wanted a parking space on the massive campus headquarters had to pay several hundred quid to the council for the privilege of parking at work on land that the company owned on a site that had been there for 50 years!

 

They're building a new road through there now...there's only half the car park there used to be outside D10 (The BCM building)

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The long delays and cost of the tram-train experiment probably makes any further expansion of that sort unlikely. This is the draft SHEFFIELD CITY REGION TRANSPORT

STRATEGY 2018 - 2040 from November 2017 https://sheffieldcityregion.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/SCR-Transport-Strategy-Consultation-Draft.pdf

 

Gobsmacked that there is an actual strategy ,I allways thought that the City's transport system was designed by a demented monkey on acid

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Money (or lack of it) is one of the main problems in getting any extension off the drawing board but also is the lack of vision on the part of the council and the PTE

 

The workplace levy is a great idea but not if the cost is covered by the employer which rather defeats the purpose

 

From what I remember the last time there was talk of extending (not the Rotherham bit) the residents were not happy

 

There hasn't been any lack of vision or ambition by SCC/SYPTE, but the simple fact is that there has not been a business case sufficiently strong to attract funding from the government. If no government funding will be offered, it's a non starter.

 

Tram lines are extremely costly (most recent ones built have been circa £170m per line) and nowadays the government expect a very substantial local contribution (up to 50%).

 

I wouldn't agree with you about Workplace Parking Levy (WPL). The fact that the employer provides free or low cost parking is a factor in the decisions made by employees on how they travel.

 

It's up to the individual employer whether they pass the WPL cost onto the employees. I understand that some employers have found the WPL to be quite beneficial to them as they can get free travel advice for employees and rationalising the amount of parking they provide and how it's allocated can allow them to use the space for other things or sell it off.

 

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we need the tram to the south of sheffield thats for sure

There was a lot of public opposition when proposals were put forward to run the tram along Endcliffe Vale Rd up to Ranmoor and up to Broomhill / Hallamshire Hospital.

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I think an ideal line would run from the south west into the city centre and then head north.

 

From Dore it could follow Abbydale road in its entirety up to London Road, then go underground and follow the route of Eyre Street / Arundel Gate to Castle Square, where new platforms could be created on the same level the hole in the road used to be. The line would re-emerge near the old market, cross the Don and proceed up the Wicker, Spital Hill Hill, through Pitsmoor and to the Northern General.

 

This is obviously a complete dream, and the costs, disruption and logistics would probably mean this route could never really be built :hihi:

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Gobsmacked that there is an actual strategy ,I allways thought that the City's transport system was designed by a demented monkey on acid

There's always been a plan / strategy.

 

The road network in the city has developed over centuries and many of the roads are quite narrow. You also can't change the topography. So, it is difficult to bring about major capacity improvements on the highways without demolishing large swathes of the city.

 

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I think an ideal line would run from the south west into the city centre and then head north.

 

From Dore it could follow Abbydale road in its entirety up to London Road, then go underground and follow the route of Eyre Street / Arundel Gate to Castle Square, where new platforms could be created on the same level the hole in the road used to be. The line would re-emerge near the old market, cross the Don and proceed up the Wicker, Spital Hill Hill, through Pitsmoor and to the Northern General.

 

This is obviously a complete dream, and the costs, disruption and logistics would probably mean this route could never really be built :hihi:

 

Anything that involves tunnelling is probably a non-starter because of prohibitive cost.

 

The Council have ambitions to have a "mass transit" route up to NGH. It could be a tram route, but a couple of hundred million is an awful lot of money, especially when you have to find half of it locally.

 

 

The fact that the local political leaders in South Yorkshire can't even bring themselves to sign up to the devolution deal that would bring in an extra £30m per annum in funding makes getting the local contributions for major transport infrastructure even more difficult.

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I wouldn't agree with you about Workplace Parking Levy (WPL). The fact that the employer provides free or low cost parking is a factor in the decisions made by employees on how they travel.

 

I agree in part, if the employer pays the levy then more employees will use their car but if the charge is paid by the employee then more may chose to use public transport. I would of course advocate exemptions where the employer would cover the cost for those such as the disabled, essential car users (properly screened so that for some this would be on a day basis not permanent) and for those who can make a valid argument that public transport is not feasible

 

However the argument for the employer paying is that it encourages employees to work there if there is free parking

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Anything that involves tunnelling is probably a non-starter because of prohibitive cost.

 

The Council have ambitions to have a "mass transit" route up to NGH. It could be a tram route, but a couple of hundred million is an awful lot of money, especially when you have to find half of it locally.

 

 

The fact that the local political leaders in South Yorkshire can't even bring themselves to sign up to the devolution deal that would bring in an extra £30m per annum in funding makes getting the local contributions for major transport infrastructure even more difficult.

 

A revised route could see the only underground sections being going under St Mary's Gate and then the new stop at Castle Square. The tunnels would be the same sort of length as the one which currently goes under Brookhill roundabout.

 

Would still be costly though so we're unlikely to see it any time soon, for the reasons you've mentioned.

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There's always been a plan / strategy.

 

The road network in the city has developed over centuries and many of the roads are quite narrow. You also can't change the topography. So, it is difficult to bring about major capacity improvements on the highways without demolishing large swathes of the city.

Hmmm... :huh:

 

... OK let's do it!

 

People are reminded however to check their letter boxes for brown paper envelopes addressed to "The Occupier", as failure to return the enclosed council survey will be interpreted as you not being bothered as to whether the final remnants of the city's heritage should be demolished forever... :roll:

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Too costly to dig a few short tunnels in Sheffield.

 

Digging an entire new underground line for London though, not a problem, here's £4billion quid, get cracking.

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Too costly to dig a few short tunnels in Sheffield.

 

Digging an entire new underground line for London though, not a problem, here's £4billion quid, get cracking.

 

The economics of installing mass transit systems are somewhat different in central London as property values are so high, so going underground is more practical (but still extremely expensive).

 

Also more easy to build a business case for transport investment there with such a high population.

 

The government does need to rebalance the investments if productivity in the North is ever going to start to catch up with the South East.

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