Understanding the universe.

There's a giant filter, also a disc, in the sky which changes the colour.

Of course. The answer was staring me in the face.

But, er, how does it stay the same size for everyone, even though they're all at different distances from this 28 mile diameter sun, 3000 miles away?

Either not enough, or too many - whatever they are.

 

If the sun is 3000 miles away, then it's about 28 miles across.

 

Anyone feel like calculating the energy density on the surface (assuming a)it's a sphere or b)a one-sided disc) given the observable amount of energy falling on the earth's surface?

 

I suspect sunlight is likely to be the wrong colour!

It'll be the same colour. It doesnt matter how far you observe it from if it subtends the same angle in the sky.

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There's a giant filter, also a disc, in the sky which changes the colour.

Not needed, it'll be the same colour.

I never claimed there were edges. .

Yes you did

The sun does not drop on a flat earth / disc.

 

It circles daily the disc. It illuminates half the earth at a time.The perimeter is an ice shelf which contains the oceans.

 

If a perimeter isn't an edge then what is it?

I never claimed there were edges. Possibly an infinite flat plain,who knows.

 

There's an international treaty on Antartica signed by 57 countries is there not.

 

You need their permission to even visit there.

 

Peer reviewed articles.......who needs them when there's plenty of self evident truths such as the horizon is always flat.

How come the nights sky in Australia is completely different to the nights sky in say Norway?

How come shadows are different lengths at different points on the earth when if the earth was flat they would be the same length (it's how the Greeks worked out the circumference of the earth, thousands of years ago).

Are shadows a NASA conspiracy?

 

Flat earthers believe it is only 3000 miles away at its closest ( when it's directly above you) The angle of the rays of the sun seem to support this.

This nicely explains the sun's rays through clouds:

https://steemit.com/flatearth/@kerriknox/crepuscular-rays-do-not-indicate-the-sun-is-2000-miles-from-the-earth-refuting-flat-earth-memes-2

The sun does not drop on a flat earth / disc.

 

It circles daily the disc. It illuminates half the earth at a time.The perimeter is an ice shelf which contains the oceans.

 

The sun is not 93 million miles away.

 

Flat earthers believe it is only 3000 miles away at its closest ( when it's directly above you) The angle of the rays of the sun seem to support this.

 

As the sun moves away from us it appears to drop,much in the same way street lights appear to drop the further away they are. It's just perspective and can be be easily demonstrated.

 

Eric Dubay.com is the best website if you are seeking more knowledge.

In a previous post you claimed that if a ship went over the horizon you could bring it back into view using a telescope.

Why has nobody done this with the sun?

BTW have you notice that the sun doesn't get any smaller as it goes down to the horizon - surely that would happen if the sun was going further away.

The sun does not drop on a flat earth / disc.

 

It circles daily the disc. It illuminates half the earth at a time.The perimeter is an ice shelf which contains the oceans.

 

The sun is not 93 million miles away.

 

Flat earthers believe it is only 3000 miles away at its closest ( when it's directly above you) The angle of the rays of the sun seem to support this.

 

As the sun moves away from us it appears to drop,much in the same way street lights appear to drop the further away they are. It's just perspective and can be be easily demonstrated.

 

Eric Dubay.com is the best website if you are seeking more knowledge.

Why does it illuminate half the flat earth at a time. Does the light somehow know not to cross the boundary in the middle?

And this would explain why it's morning in the UK, middle of the night in Canada, late afternoon in India and evening in Japan.

How do the angle of the rays at lunchtime suggest a distance?

When you say it circles, do you mean it always stays above the disc? It doesn't go below it? Or do you mean that it's orbiting the disc and goes below it?

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I never claimed there were edges. Possibly an infinite flat plain,who knows.

 

There's an international treaty on Antartica signed by 57 countries is there not.

 

You need their permission to even visit there.

 

Peer reviewed articles.......who needs them when there's plenty of self evident truths such as the horizon is always flat.

The horizon is demonstrably not always flat, you can launch a camera on a balloon quite simply and see this for yourself.

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I never claimed there were edges. Possibly an infinite flat plain,who knows.

A few posts later and you're saying it has a perimeter made up of ice mountains.

In a previous post you claimed that if a ship went over the horizon you could bring it back into view using a telescope.

 

If that's the case I should be able to see New York from the West coast of Irelend....

If that's the case I should be able to see New York from the West coast of Irelend....

It'll need to be a good telescope of course

It'll need to be a good telescope of course

Of course.... but the theory stands..if the earth is flat there's no reason why it shouldn't be possible.. I can't think of one anyway..have you watched any of the video MAC33 linked to? They guy gives around 200 reasons why the earth isn't round...I don't think any would pass any sort of scrutiny...in fact some are so bad I can't believe the guy is serious..1st year secondary school kids could disprove most of them...

Here’s a list of the most tracked satellites from N2YO.com . Flat-earthers have to dismiss these- which means that people who use these satellites are all part of a cover-up. Go to n2Y0.com Put in Satellites Listing. Go to Satellites Names. It's full of good stuff.

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AQUA (EOS-PM1) is an afternoon equator-crossing platform which includes a suite of sensors designed to study the diurnal properties of cloud and aerosol radiative fluxes, cloud formation, and precipitation (MIMR, AIRS/AMSU-A/MHS, and MODIS-N) in conjunction with a wind scatterometer planned for the Japanese ADEOS-II spacecraft.

COSMOS 2458 is a Glonass satellite, designed to last seven years broadcasting navigation signals to Russian military and civilian users.

The Electro-L satellite is Russia’s second high-altitude weather observatory, coming after a troubled mission launched in 1994 that never achieved all of its goals The next-generation Electro-L program faced years of delays because of interruptions in funding.

ELEKTRO-L 2 is a weather satellite to help civilian and military forecasters track storm systems, collecting near-realtime images of weather systems from Europe to the Asia-Pacific, joining an international fleet of geostationary weather satellites owned by the United States, Europe, India, China and Japan.

Express AM5 provides digital television and radio broadcasting, telephone, video conferencing, data transmission and Internet services.

FOX-1A is a small 1-Unit CubeSat developed by AMSAT.

GE-23 AMC 23, with a pre-launch name of Worldsat 3, is an American geostationary communications satellite that was launched by a Proton-M rocket from Baikonur at 02:28 UT on 29 December 2005.

GOES 13 is an American (NOAA) geostationary weather satellite that was launched by a Delta 4 rocket from Cape Canaveral at 22:11 UT on 24 May 2006.

GOES 15 (GOES-P) is an American weather satellite, which will form part of the Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellite (GOES) system operated by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

KANOPUS-V 1 The Canopus-B satellite, developed by the All-Russia Research Institute of Electromechanics (NPP VNIIEM), is designed for remote sensing of the Earth.

KMS 3-2 KWANGMYONGSONG 3 is a North Korean Earth observation satellite, which according to the DPRK is designed for weather forecast purposes, and whose launch is widely portrayed in the West to be a veiled ballistic missile test.

KMS-4 (Kwangmyongsong-4 meaning Bright Star-4 or Lodestar-4 in Korean) is an earth observation satellite launched by North Korea on 7 February 2016.

LANDSAT 8 The Landsat Data Continuity Mission (LDCM), a collaboration between NASA and the U.

METEOR M1 is a a Russian weather satellite designed to monitor the Earth’s climate.

METEOR M2 was designed to watch global weather, the ozone layer, the ocean surface temperature and ice conditions to facilitate shipping in polar regions and to monitor radiation environment in the near-Earth space.

METOP-A is Europe’s first polar-orbiting weather satellite and will give forecasters a new perspective on weather phenomena.

METOP-B is a 9,005-pound (4,085-kg) spacecraft outfitted with eight instruments to survey clouds, winds, moisture, greenhouse gases, and other atmospheric conditions for at least five years.

Navstar 57, also known as USA 183 and as GPS 2R-M1 (and as GPS 2R-14), was launched by a Delta 2 rocket from Cape Canaveral AFS at 03:37 UT on 26 September 2005.

NAYIF (EO-88) is a small satellite designed to send and receive messages on amateur radio frequencies.

NOAA 18 Polar-orbiting satellite; long-range weather forecasting; atmospheric and weather monitoring instruments; data stored on-board and transmitted over Fairbanks, AK and Wallops Island, VA.

NOAA-19 is the fifth in a series of five Polar-orbiting Operational Environmental Satellites (POES) with advanced microwave sounding instruments that provide imaging and sounding capabilities.

NPP NASA launched the National Polar-orbiting Operational Environmental Satellite System Preparatory Project, or NPP, on Oct.

NSS 12 was manufactured by Space Systems/Loral and has a 15-year design life the 12,400-pound (5,625-kg).

PARKINSONSAT (PSAT) is a 1 1/2 U CubeSat designed by the Naval Academy.

RESURS P1 is a Russian civil remote sensing satellite featuring a modernized high-resolution digital camera to collect imagery of Earth for Russian government agencies and international customers.

RESURS P2 is a Russian satellite to survey the globe and a plasma physics experiment to seek out signs of exotic antimatter and dark matter in the cosmos.

RESURS P3 is a Russian Earth observation satellite.

SAUDISAT 1C (or SO-50, Saudi-OSCAR 50) carries several experiments, including a mode J FM amateur repeater experiment operating on 145.

SENTINEL 2A, together with the other Sentinels, is gathering data for Europe’s Copernicus programme, which will provide accurate, timely & easily accessible information for environmental management, understanding climate change and assisting in disaster response.

SES 1 is a communications satellite designed to replace two aging spacecraft serving North America.

SPOT 7 is a commercial high-resolution optical imaging Earth observation satellite system operating from space.

TERRA The Earth Observing System (EOS) is a science and observation program that will provide long-term (15-year) data sets for Earth system science in order to gain an understanding of the interactions between Earth’s land, atmosphere, oceans, and biology.

THURAYA 2 Capacity for 13,750 simultaneous calls; voice, fax, data transmissions from/to mobile telephones; Middle East, North and Central Africa, Europe, Central Asia and the Indian subcontinent.

TIANGONG 1 is the first Chinese space laboratory module launched on a critical test flight to demonstrate the vital docking technology required for a future space station.

YAMAL 402 was supposed to manoeuvre itself into a circular geosynchronous orbit 22,300 miles (35,888 km) up and lowering inclination where it can match Earth’s rotation and appear parked over the equator at 55 degrees East longitude to begin a 15-year service life.

Additional information on satellites:

In radio communication, skywave or skip refers to the propagation of radio waves reflected or refracted back toward Earth from the ionosphere, an electrically charged layer of the upper atmosphere. Since it is not limited by the curvature of the Earth, skywave propagation can be used to communicate beyond the horizon, at intercontinental distances. It is mostly used in the shortwave frequency bands. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skywave

Digital Globe captures high-resolution imagery from their satellite, to provide information to a broad list of customers.

Satellite Imaging Corporation (SIC) was formed in the early 1990’s as a response to increasing demand for medium and high resolution 2D and 3D satellite image data.

Addendum :

If the Sun was as close as Flat-earthers say it is. Then solar flares would obliterate the lot .

PS. My apologies for the gap in the middle of the list. Don't know what happened.

Here’s a list of the most tracked satellites from N2YO.com . Flat-earthers have to dismiss these- which means that people who use these satellites are all part of a cover-up. Go to n2Y0.com Put in Satellites Listing. Go to Satellites Names. It's full of good stuff.

 

 

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That's the problem with conspiracy theories there has to be thousands of people involved in them and the chance of no-one breaking cover is minimal..