Cultural appropriation, a complete non-issue?

But we can have a black or female James Bond?

 

Not saying that's wrong, just trying to find the line.

 

Also, in a lot of Japanese anime, many of the characters don't have typical 'Asian' characteristics. I've not seen the original anime of Ghost in the Shell, but having recently gotten in to Tokyo Ghoul, Cowboy Bebop and Full Metal Alchemist, almost all of the characters have westernised features. So, this being the case, I don't see how SJ could have come under such criticism for her live-action portrayal.

Bond is an ever-morphing role. We've had Irish, Scottish, English, Welsh, dark haired, brown eyed, blonde, blue eyed Bonds, why not a black or female Bond?

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a black JAMES BOND no way!! how would that work judging by when the original stories were written timewise, Bond is the quintessential english secret agent and at the time very few blacks were in the country never mind the secret service.

now maybe you could have a love child of the original bond? which was from one of his many dalliances with various foreign agents? who follows in his fathers footsteps as 008?

Weren't quite a lot of the books set in Jamaica and around the Carribean?

 

I think there might have been one or two blacks around then.

 

 

In any case, James Bond (the film franchise) is being continually reset to be current, so anyone could be Bond.

 

 

(Indeed, some of the more fanciful theories contend that "James Bond" is a code name, and 007 is simply someone playing that role)

yes good point that would be a good way to bring in a black bond and up to date as previously mentioned Idris Elba would be an excellent choice.

Bond is an ever-morphing role. We've had Irish, Scottish, English, Welsh, dark haired, brown eyed, blonde, blue eyed Bonds, why not a black or female Bond?

 

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If you're going to cry 'original Bond!' then he'd likely need to carry out his missions in a wheelchair with a mobile life support system now.

But does everything have to become politicised and have to be changed just for the sake of 'progress'? How about we talk about a white Shaft? Does it always have to be historically white, male roles that are changed?

a black JAMES BOND no way!! how would that work judging by when the original stories were written timewise, Bond is the quintessential english secret agent and at the time very few blacks were in the country never mind the secret service.

now maybe you could have a love child of the original bond? which was from one of his many dalliances with various foreign agents? who follows in his fathers footsteps as 008?

Well, thematically, clearly there are different people who are employed for the 007 role (odd that they're all called James tho). Otherwise, James would be like 100 by now. Also, it's clearly set in the modern day (just look at the cars and gadgets) where a lot of English people are non-white.

I'd have zero issues with a black bond, the only concern would be how entertaining he was.

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I'd say no, because someone would claim 'white privelege' at a white actor stopping a black actor taking the part. It's fine if black actors take a part that has been historically white, but the other way round is racism.

 

For example, the film 'White Chicks' - two black actors, in effect, 'white-up' and that's fine. Yet, the other way is seen as racist and something from a bygone era.

 

In Thor, Idris Elba was playing a mythical Norse character. 2000 years ago, I would have thought that all Norse gods would have been a representation of their followers. How would we go having a white person playing Mohammed in a film about Islam?

 

I know we've had white people playing Jesus, despite the area of the world he would have come from, but try telling the older generation of Christians that he would have had darker skin and hair and you'll be shouted down.

Actually, I think on reflection, it's a poor comparison. A Black Panther, would be specifically a black person; there's no such specificity with the James Bond 007 character.

Well, thematically, clearly there are different people who are employed for the 007 role (odd that they're all called James tho). Otherwise, James would be like 100 by now. Also, it's clearly set in the modern day (just look at the cars and gadgets) where a lot of English people are non-white.

 

I'd have zero issues with a black bond, the only concern would be how entertaining he was.

 

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Actually, I think on reflection, it's a poor comparison. A Black Panther, would be specifically a black person; there's no such specificity with the James Bond 007 character.

Green Lantern is played by a white actor, not a green one...

Sorry, just being majorly sarcastic.

However, in the land of fantasy and comic books, you can write anything to fit your own creative thoughts. I'm sure there could be a white character who wears a superhero suit to become the Black Panther. Would it get made? Doubt it. Would there be a backlash? Possibly.

There are black people who are ‘quintessentially English’. Two examples: Sir Trevor McDonald, Floella Benjamin, OBE.

As for cultural appropriation, they do say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Don't you mean Baroness Benjamin OBE?

But does everything have to become politicised and have to be changed just for the sake of 'progress'? How about we talk about a white Shaft? Does it always have to be historically white, male roles that are changed?

You mean like David Carradine in "Kung Fu"?

Angelina Jolie in "A Mighty Heart" and "Wanted"?

Ben Affleck in "Argo"?

Johnny Depp in "The Lone Ranger"?

Jake Gyllenhaal in "Prince of Persia"?

Tilda Swinton in "Doctor Strange"?

Jennifer Lawrence in "Hunger Games"?

+ many more

And...

just about every biblical or foreign epic made during the 50's/60's

Why would it be historically white male roles that get targeted for change?

Perhaps because the patriarchy, or the incumbent dominant power are white males..

The head of the monastery in Doctor Strange, female, but whitewashed.

I'd have thought that an MP would be far to busy to bother with such stuff but apparently not?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/newsbeat-45246009

Well taking a leaf out of her book, from this moment on, she'd better never attempt a Yorkshire Pudding as she's clearly not from these parts.

Here's a picture of her dressed as an Indian:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dk4dV2jXgAEIk4_.jpg

And what's with the tartan she's wearing here:

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/dawn-butler-oxford-interview/

Its not her first faux pas. She's got history of dodgy expenses as well has accusing Costa Coffee of not paying tax, and had to make an embarrassing climbdown.

If you go down London Rd, you'll find a halal Mexican restaurant run by Pakistanis.

Has nobody told MP, Dawn Butler that people are free to cook whatever they like & change a recipe to give a new interpretation to a meal? All that matters is, is it any good?

apparently jamie oliver has just been called out for calling a rice dish "jerk"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45246009

really so what call it whatever you want.