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We don't know the applicant numbers for women to the parole board, so we're not really in a position to comment I suppose.

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I think we discussed in this thread unconscious bias and why positive action is sometimes necessary.

Some people disputed the idea, disputed that privilege existed for simply being white or male.

Have a look at this;

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46143909

 

 

 

 

 

It doesn't say, but I wonder how many of that board are female, I'd be surprised if it's a 50/50 male/female split.

 

Female prisoners only represent 5% of the prison population though.

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Also a reasonable point and probably why the board didn't mention it's female representation then.

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Looking at the membership of the Parole Board you could perhaps make out a case that women are over represented, especially the psychologists where it appears that all Parole Board psychologists are women.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/appointment-reappointment-and-extensions-of-parole-board-members

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In situations where certain ethnicities are under represented in a particular industry, I think to be fair, you need to factor in what % of applicants are of that ethnicity, and how qualified and generally suitable for the position they are.

 

I wonder if the core problem is that people generally are racist? I don't mean in a crass overt way, but subtly, in that we feel more comfortable around people like ourselves, and we generally have more in common with others who share our ethnicity and cultural identity. Just trying to reflect on my own position though, and I'd like to think I place a much higher value on a person's character than on any attribute of their physical being (as I'm sure most people do).

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Well, maybe all the imbalances can be explained away so easily then.

My department has very few coloured people in it, perhaps they're just not interested...

 

No not all the imbalances - that point was on sex not race for one.

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Well, maybe all the imbalances can be explained away so easily then.

My department has very few coloured people in it, perhaps they're just not interested...

 

Back in the olden days the females used to have time off to have babies, when we move to test tube babies that won't be required, but until that time comes there will be fewer females in the workplace.

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Cheshire Police have just been found guilty at an employment tribunal of discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation, race and sex after a white, heterosexual, male, (presumably he had to fill in one of those additional forms that 'Are only for use as a monitoring tool to establish that we are reaching all members of the community & will not be used in the recruitment process in anyway.', Mr Matthew Furlong failed in his application to join the force in 2017.

 

Mr Furlong has stated that he considers that had he put down he was bisexual, he might now be working for Cheshire Police.  Compansation has yet to be decided but Cheshire Police are reviewing the findings. 

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15 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

Cheshire Police have just been found guilty at an employment tribunal of discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation, race and sex after a white, heterosexual, male, (presumably he had to fill in one of those additional forms that 'Are only for use as a monitoring tool to establish that we are reaching all members of the community & will not be used in the recruitment process in anyway.', Mr Matthew Furlong failed in his application to join the force in 2017.

 

Mr Furlong has stated that he considers that had he put down he was bisexual, he might now be working for Cheshire Police.  Compansation has yet to be decided but Cheshire Police are reviewing the findings. 

How is this to do with filling an optional form?

At the time they were deliberately favouring coloured applicants, not bisexual ones.

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4 minutes ago, Cyclone said:

How is this to do with filling an optional form?

At the time they were deliberately favouring coloured applicants, not bisexual ones.

They were found to be favouring non white applicants, LGBT applicants, and applicants who already worked somewhere for the force. That would have been fine if they had gone about it a different way.  'Positive action' is perfectly legal under the equalities act.

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56 minutes ago, Cyclone said:

How is this to do with filling an optional form?

At the time they were deliberately favouring coloured applicants, not bisexual ones.

Who said 'optional form'? . Read the post again.  Anyone got Specsaver's number? 

 

And you can't deliberately favour any candidate per se. 

 

And apparently it is unlawful to use positive discrimination as a blunt tool; "While positive action can be used to ensure greater diversity, it should only be applied to distinguish between candidates who were all equally well qualified for a role." 

 

In this case, the white, heterosexual, male, (not that it would really matter to the public if they were being robbed at knife point, they'd just like to see a copper), was the superior candidate but overlooked for a box ticking exercise. 

 

Never mind. As it's Cheshire Police, the compo paid to Mr Furlong won't come out of our council tax, eh? 

 

The Chief Constable, Police Commissioner & council tax payers must be so proud. 

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4 hours ago, Robin-H said:

They were found to be favouring non white applicants, LGBT applicants, and applicants who already worked somewhere for the force. That would have been fine if they had gone about it a different way.  'Positive action' is perfectly legal under the equalities act.

Positive discrimination is an oxymoron and should be as illegal as "negative" discrimination.

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