Railway strike 2016–2018

It has cost the Government millions and the public too, yet its not on anyones issue list.

Its been ongoing since 2016, the strikes by ASLEF were branded as "causing the worst rail disruption in 20 years" by The Guardian.

The Government want driver only trains, and they will not let the train companies resolve the issue on their own; as the Government set the rules for the franchises.

A 15 year old boy and his grandfather were killed in a horrific collision on a level crossing in Barns Green near Horsham. Should the Government get there way, it would mean no guard, so just a driver to deal with life and death situations, not to mention a train full of rowdy passengers, and no on-board guard.

Do you think driver-only trains are the way forward?

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/barns-green-train-crash/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Railway_strike_(2016%E2%80%932017)

Southern Rail owner profits hit £100m one day after £20m government 'bailout'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/southern-rail-owner-profits-jump-27-per-cent-one-day-after-20-million-government-bailout-a7221276.html

Why on earth would a guard have helped in this? Two people dealing with a train vs one person dealing with a train - regardless they are always going to be overwhelmed.

If ASLEF carry on this way they will end up with noone driving at all - the DLR manages a good job and doesnt go on strike all the time...

Why on earth would a guard have helped in this? Two people dealing with a train vs one person dealing with a train - regardless they are always going to be overwhelmed.

 

If ASLEF carry on this way they will end up with none driving at all - the DLR manages a good job and doesnt go on strike all the time...

So by that logic it would be ok to have driver-less trains too; just let people ring 999 and wait for the ambulance.

Dealing with 50+ passengers on a bus, once warranted two workers. Should the rules be 2 members of staff per 100+ passengers?

Is this a cost issue, like an automated supermarket checkout?

Who usually gets killed in a train crash? The driver..... since they tend to be the first to hit something.

Almost all recent train crashs are reported by signalling who spot that track infrastructure is doing odd things, like all lines suddenly going occupied, signalling circuits going out, or the power tripping. Mobile phone calls are a secondary but useful avenue.

You never needed a driver and conducter to deal with passengers, you needed a conducter to take the fares. We have removed that anachronism now fortunetly with this thing called technology.

If ASLEF carry on this way they will end up with noone driving at all - the DLR manages a good job and doesnt go on strike all the time...

The Docklands Light Railway is very different to most small railway station, many are unmanned, curved platforms; the DLR is comparable to the tube.

At some times of the day, bicycles are not permitted for safety reasons; real trains are very different.

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You never needed a driver and conducter to deal with passengers, you needed a conducter to take the fares. We have removed that anachronism now fortunetly with this thing called technology.

My local station does not sell tickets, a guard is needed to check people have the right valid ticket; if you get on at a station that does not sell tickets, just get off at one that does not have barriers and you have a free train ride.

Tech cannot track where people boarded and what tick they should have.

The Docklands Light Railway is very different to most small railway station, many are unmanned, curved platforms; the DLR is comparable to the tube.

 

At some times of the day, bicycles are not permitted for safety reasons; real trains are very different.

 

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My local station does not sell tickets, a guard is needed to check people have the right valid ticket; if you get on at a station that does not sell tickets, just get off at one that does not have barriers and you have a free train ride.

Tech cannot track where people boarded and what tick they should have.

In which case you shouldnt be boarding a train then - it is illegal to travel not in possession of a valid ticket or permit to travel.

But since this strike was all about safety this is a moot point.

Actually of course - it's not safety related at all. It's entirely about making jobs for the union club members.

In which case you shouldnt be boarding a train then - it is illegal to travel not in possession of a valid ticket or permit to travel.

 

I believe the wording is having the ability to purchase a ticket prior to boarding. Millions do not buy before they board, if you lived near a small station you would know this.

In which case you shouldnt be boarding a train then - it is illegal to travel not in possession of a valid ticket or permit to travel.

Actually the Railway Bylaws permit it under certain circumstances including those mentioned by El Cid.

It has cost the Government millions and the public too, yet its not on anyones issue list.

 

Its been ongoing since 2016, the strikes by ASLEF were branded as "causing the worst rail disruption in 20 years" by The Guardian.

The Government want driver only trains, and they will not let the train companies resolve the issue on their own; as the Government set the rules for the franchises.

A 15 year old boy and his grandfather were killed in a horrific collision on a level crossing in Barns Green near Horsham. Should the Government get there way, it would mean no guard, so just a driver to deal with life and death situations, not to mention a train full of rowdy passengers, and no on-board guard.

 

Do you think driver-only trains are the way forward?

 

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/barns-green-train-crash/

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Railway_strike_(2016%E2%80%932017)

 

Southern Rail owner profits hit £100m one day after £20m government 'bailout'

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/southern-rail-owner-profits-jump-27-per-cent-one-day-after-20-million-government-bailout-a7221276.html

The reason I don't want Guardless trains or trains that can only be accessed by a ticket barrier is that without these things train companies are reliant on trains being empty enough to walk down a carriage in order to check everyone has paid. Remove that need and I have no doubt that train commuters will be packed on like sardines while the train companies and Government will then point to high utilisation as an indication of how well used the service is, - as though chronic overcrowding is a good thing, which I consider unacceptable.

It has cost the Government millions and the public too, yet its not on anyones issue list.

 

Its been ongoing since 2016, the strikes by ASLEF were branded as "causing the worst rail disruption in 20 years" by The Guardian.

The Government want driver only trains, and they will not let the train companies resolve the issue on their own; as the Government set the rules for the franchises.

A 15 year old boy and his grandfather were killed in a horrific collision on a level crossing in Barns Green near Horsham. Should the Government get there way, it would mean no guard, so just a driver to deal with life and death situations, not to mention a train full of rowdy passengers, and no on-board guard.

 

Do you think driver-only trains are the way forward?

 

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/barns-green-train-crash/

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Railway_strike_(2016%E2%80%932017)

 

Southern Rail owner profits hit £100m one day after £20m government 'bailout'

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/southern-rail-owner-profits-jump-27-per-cent-one-day-after-20-million-government-bailout-a7221276.html

What has yesterday's accident at Barns Green got to do with the disputes over Driver Only Operation currently going on?

What has yesterday's accident at Barns Green got to do with the disputes over Driver Only Operation currently going on?

Guards deal with incidents on a daily basis, many non-rail users will be unsure of their duties, they have to sell tickets, inspect for correct tickets, dealing with drunken behaviour on the many 'ale runs', assisting people with disabilities and getting a ramp when needed and many more.

Guards deal with incidents on a daily basis, many non-rail users will be unsure of their duties, they have to sell tickets, inspect for correct tickets, dealing with drunken behaviour on the many 'ale runs', assisting people with disabilities and getting a ramp when needed and many more.

I know what duties guards have and I am all in favour of all trains having a second safety critical member of staff on board. What has yesterday's incident got to do with this, however?