Why does the Council feel the need to enforce bus lanes on Xmas Day?

Why do you need to use a bus lane just because it’s xmas day?

It's impertinent to answer a question with a question. You first - why would you want to enforce bus lanes on a day when there are no busses?

It's impertinent to answer a question with a question. You first - why would you want to enforce bus lanes on a day when there are no busses?

Because there’s no reason not to enforce them because it is a bank holiday and the bus lanes don’t allow use on bank holidays.

Not bank holidays with some exceptions so people can say well you can use them on Xmas day so I thought you could use them on Easter Monday/ xmas eve/New Years day.

Or because the buses have stopped running for the night etc.

It’s very clear to everyone and if youre daft enough to drive in one (which I did once) you will be fined and that’s that.

It doesn't.

It just doesn't see why it should not enforce the bus lanes, and rightly so.

The answer to that has been thoroughly explained to you. THERE ARE NO BUSES running on xmas day.

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Why do you need to use a bus lane just because it’s xmas day?

If you stop answering every question with another question, and actually try to answer one, then all your confusion will disappear.

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Because there’s no reason not to enforce them

Yes there is. THERE ARE NO BUSES running on xmas day. That's as good a reason as you could possibly imagine to not enforce a measure designed to speed up the movement of buses.

Thanks Cyclone, you saved me the trouble of pointing out the bleeding obvious.

The thing about laws, rules and regulations, is that they need to be necessary, clear, coherent, effective and accessible, and bus gate fines on Christmas Day are not.

The answer to that has been thoroughly explained to you. THERE ARE NO BUSES running on xmas day.

 

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If you stop answering every question with another question, and actually try to answer one, then all your confusion will disappear.

 

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Yes there is. THERE ARE NO BUSES running on xmas day. That's as good a reason as you could possibly imagine to not enforce a measure designed to speed up the movement of buses.

Do speed cameras/restrictions operate on motorways even when the motorway is closed?

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Thanks Cyclone, you saved me the trouble of pointing out the bleeding obvious.

 

The thing about laws, rules and regulations, is that they need to be necessary, clear, coherent, effective and accessible, and bus gate fines on Christmas Day are not.

Which you can only get by driving in a bus lane so don't do it.

How clear does it need to be, don't drive in a bus lane.

Its clearly more problematic to unenforce so 100% enforcement is the only acceptable way imho.

Do speed cameras/restrictions operate on motorways even when the motorway is closed?

 

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Which you can only get by driving in a bus lane so don't do it.

How clear does it need to be, don't drive in a bus lane.

 

Its clearly more problematic to unenforce so 100% enforcement is the only acceptable way imho.

Exactly - what are the council supposed to do - constantly change regulation and signage to suit the bus timetables?

What if the bus companies decide to give their bus drivers New Years Day off - do the council need to get an urgent message out to all motorists that they are ok to drive in bus lanes that day?

Removing the enforcement is likely to cause more issues, and confusion, than maintaining it - and all you have to do to avoid it causing you an issue is..........DON'T DRIVE IN THE LANE THAT SAYS BUS LANE ON IT!

Reduce bus services by half and do away with bus lanes, and set the traffic light sequence correctly, keep the motorists moving, we pay enough money to be able to use all of the road. That would solve the problem at a stroke.

Angel1.

what are the council supposed to do

Nothing. Literally nothing. Do nothing. Do not enforce the bus gates. Nothing, nothing, nothing. If somebody from the Council thinks about enforcing bus gates on Christmas Day, they do nothing. Make a cup of tea or go for a dump, or both if they must do something that at least feels slightly useful, but otherwise do nothing.

Do speed cameras/restrictions operate on motorways even when the motorway is closed?

 

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That makes no sense......

You're the one clutching at straws. Why would you want to enforce bus lanes on a day when there are no busses?

I've explained in previous posts in this thread that some of the bus gates are not just there to give priority to buses and trams (see post #27). Some are there for traffic management / safety reasons. Some bus gates have no public transport running through them. They are just a means of controlling access.

It is not safe or desirable to send a message to motorists that it is ok to ignore enforceable restrictions that apply 24/7, just because it's Xmas day. The reasons for the restrictions being there are equally valid on that day and every other.

As has been reiterated time and time again on this thread, drivers derive no benefit by using the bus facilities on Xmas day, because traffic levels are light. So why would they even think it was necessary or desirable for them to be able to use the bus facilities?

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Nothing. Literally nothing. Do nothing. Do not enforce the bus gates. Nothing, nothing, nothing. If somebody from the Council thinks about enforcing bus gates on Christmas Day, they do nothing. Make a cup of tea or go for a dump, or both if they must do something that at least feels slightly useful, but otherwise do nothing.

Doesn't work like that.

The cameras which enforce bus lanes / gates are mostly automatic. They record the contraventions when the bus lanes / gates are in operation.

The Council staff would therefore have to do something to cancel the penalties recorded on Xmas day. Why should the Council expend time (and public money) on letting off people who should just comply with the rules, but have chosen not to.

Nothing. Literally nothing. Do nothing. Do not enforce the bus gates. Nothing, nothing, nothing. If somebody from the Council thinks about enforcing bus gates on Christmas Day, they do nothing. Make a cup of tea or go for a dump, or both if they must do something that at least feels slightly useful, but otherwise do nothing.

Genuine question - and my apologies if its been asked/answered already - but is there actually a person there enforcing the lanes & gates, or is it all just automated?

If its just automated its possibly not worth the time or money it would take to reset it all or intervene just for the sake of one day, and thats before you figure in changing all the signs etc.

Edit to add - Planner1 has pretty much just answered my question!

The Council staff would therefore have to do something to cancel the penalties recorded on Xmas day. Why should the Council expend time (and public money) on letting off people who should just comply with the rules, but have chosen not to.

Talk us through it then, you're the man in the know. What's actually involved in doing nothing? How many people and hours to flick the switch?