taxman   12 #25 Posted August 31, 2016 More killed than born in Africa...that's not sustainable  Wouldn't want to point the finger specifically at the growing middle classes in the far east, but they do seem to have a bizarre desire for ground up rhino horn (made from exactly the same material as fingernails), ivory, dried seahorses, pangolins etc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tinfoilhat   11 #26 Posted August 31, 2016 More killed than born in Africa...that's not sustainable Wouldn't want to point the finger specifically at the growing middle classes in the far east, but they do seem to have a bizarre desire for ground up rhino horn (made from exactly the same material as fingernails), ivory, dried seahorses, pangolins etc  We've done it in the past, there's a picture I saw online from a major Sheffield cutlery firm showing their ivory room - I guess it dated back to the 50s or 60s. But we learnt that these animals will disappear, I don't understand why those in the Far East don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
unbeliever   10 #27 Posted August 31, 2016 Mugabe is right! (pains me to say so) The number of humans is increasing, and their "footprint" in resources and land area increases even faster. No government (apart from China) is willing to curb the growth of its people; even European lands with less then "break even" reproductive rates are growing by immigration. No African country can afford to hand over a large area to wildlife and receive no financial benefit. What village headman can refuse a young couple the right to clear a patch of land to start a new home? If he allows it, they reduce the wildlife range; if he forbids, they move to a town, and maybe the man comes back as a poacher.  If WE want wildlife, WE should "rent" some space for them. This may mean outbidding the cattle ranchers, forest loggers, mineral extractors. And it mat mean helping the local people to have jobs and homes.  Development curbs population growth. As the poorer nations develop, as they have been doing at an impressive rate recently, the problem will correct itself. Attempting to organise the world by grand design always makes things worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tinfoilhat   11 #28 Posted August 31, 2016 Development curbs population growth. As the poorer nations develop, as they have been doing at an impressive rate recently, the problem will correct itself. Attempting to organise the world by grand design always makes things worse.  Our population is growing. Are there many countries whose population is decreasing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
unbeliever   10 #29 Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) Our population is growing. Are there many countries whose population is decreasing?  Our population is being maintained by immigration. Our reproduction rate such that it would drop otherwise. So will it be with the poorer nations as they develop. This will also resolve the contentious migration issues as well if we're patient enough. Edited September 1, 2016 by unbeliever Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
BHRemovals   10 #30 Posted August 31, 2016 unfortunately everyone is scared of china's economic muscle and the tourist benefits of people visiting the game parks of Africa, wont balance it out, the only way is to create a massive breeding programme in the west. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
taxman   12 #31 Posted March 20, 2018 The last male Northern White Rhino has been put down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
retep   68 #32 Posted March 20, 2018 The last male Northern White Rhino has been put down.  Does it matter? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid   220 #33 Posted March 20, 2018 Does it matter?  We could get some nice friesian cows grazing on that land, when we have free trade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
retep   68 #34 Posted March 20, 2018 We could get some nice friesian cows grazing on that land, when we have free trade.  Do we eat rhino? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid   220 #35 Posted March 20, 2018 Do we eat rhino?  I would be surprised if the local tribes turn down any meat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   863 #36 Posted March 20, 2018 Does it matter? if youre a rhino i presume yes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...