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Fascism

[fash-iz-uh m]

noun

1.

(sometimes initial capital letter) a a political philosophy, movement, or regime led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

2.

(sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.

 

Is it always a bad thing? Or are there circumstances where it is justified?

Or should we be constantly vigilant to recognise it and oppose it wherever it manifests?

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haha sounds something like the EU:hihi:;)

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haha sounds something like the EU:hihi:;)

 

That would be funny, were there not so many people stupid enough to believe that it's true...

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That would be funny, were there not so many people stupid enough to believe that it's true...

 

Well there certainly has been a rise in anti-fascist (including the far right) demos in the EU which then assumes that it is true.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/19/the-rise-of-the-far-right-in-europe-is-not-a-false-alarm/

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/jo-simmons/fascism-europe_b_5590886.html

 

 

Do the people above believe it true?

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Well there certainly has been a rise in anti-fascist (including the far right) demos in the EU which then assumes that it is true.

 

There are certainly fascists within the EU, but the EU is not a fascist organisation: if it were, then this discussion would be closed down.

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Blood and honour scene very big in Germany. I don't think Adolf would approve of the music though. Bit noisy.

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Blood and honour scene very big in Germany. I don't think Adolf would approve of the music though. Bit noisy.

 

its also massive in eastern europe.

 

theres also Resistance records and Great white records, not sure if they are still going or not

 

The Redwatch site still seems to be up too, that must be over 15 years old now

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I think when enough people are on the cusp of economic or social disaster (whether it be real or imagined) they'll lurch to extremes. It doesn't result in anything positive but it gives them the opportunity to kick someone who they blame for their own problems. It's like this hatred of the eu - I've never understood what they've done to get such bile from the right wing press in this country.

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I think when enough people are on the cusp of economic or social disaster (whether it be real or imagined) they'll lurch to extremes. It doesn't result in anything positive but it gives them the opportunity to kick someone who they blame for their own problems. It's like this hatred of the eu - I've never understood what they've done to get such bile from the right wing press in this country.

 

The interests of the wealthy owners of the right wing press are better served by the absence of the working time directive for starters.

 

The same owners would quite like the UK to become a tax haven outside the EU.

 

It always seems productive for the right to play the Johnny Foreigner card.

 

Boris Pfeffel Johnson was responsible for a lot of the joke caractérisation of the EU when he was Daily Telegraph correspondant in Brussels.

He bottled it when the leadership of the Tory party was his for the taking.

 

 

On the fascist comparison, Farage threatened to lead a million people march on the Courts when the decision was being made as to whether or not the terms of EU membership should be debated in Parliament.

 

It seems that UKIP and Farage only approve of " some" British institutions

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Can we try to not let this become another thread about Brexit?

Though it does have to be acknowledged the attempts by Farage et al to close down discussion and due legal process are unquestionably fascistic.

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Is it always a bad thing? Or are there circumstances where it is justified?

Or should we be constantly vigilant to recognise it and oppose it wherever it manifests?

 

It depends on who is behind fascism and the qualities this person or group of people has.

Depending on these qualities it can become good or bad, in this society it will usually become a bad thing.

 

Opposing it being constantly vigilant uses a lot of energy you can use to go beyond these lower things yourself. It is very easy to go beyond fascism and leave that world behind. Then when fascism manifests you realise it is something meaningless and why bother investing energy into it?

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Is it always a bad thing? Or are there circumstances where it is justified?
There is little doubt that the UK developed a fascistic form of governance (albeit not at the hands of a dictator, but under Parliamentary scrutiny) during World War II. There is, equally, little doubt that this was justified by the circumstances of the day: the enduring penury of everything, daily bombing raids and the permanent threat of invasion called for a strong regimentation of British society, industry and resources, to prevent British society from falling into chaos, and then -later on- facilitate the management of the war effort.

 

So the answer to your question, depends upon whether you consider the sort of temporary [e.g. wartime] emergency powers required by a democracy (or other, comparable form of governance) to combat imperilling factors effectively, to be for the common good (and so justifiable), or not.

 

For instance, and as a counterpoint, I don't see France's emergency powers, promulgated in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo attack, but now seemingly on a course to become ever-lasting, as justified in the least. Because the elbowing of due process which such powers allow (supposedly, temporarily whilst the emergency endures), is certainly a sturdy foundation on which to build a bona fide police state.

Edited by L00b

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