Calais jungle..

What a surprise the economic migrants have once again made Calais by night a no go area.

Saw the Ross Kemp with the migrants in Libya,why doesn't the world do something about these people,their homeland needs sorting out so people don't want to leave it,they also said their own countries won't take them back.

What can you do?

Alot of the economic migrants are coming out of Sub-Saharan Africa.

These countries are utterly crippled by corruption, poor governance and infighting, you can't just keep sending aid or money, it's not effective.

Until that stops it's just a viscous cycle.

Syrian refugees are fleeing ISIS and the destruction of cities like Aleppo.

ISIS formed in the political anarchy created by the second Iraq war.

It's rather harsh to blame the victims for the consequences of a dodgy war started by America and Britain. You reap what you sow.

Syrian refugees are fleeing ISIS and the destruction of cities like Aleppo.

Don't confuse economic migrants with genuine refugee's.

They do take the same route and end up in the same places, but one needs safety and sanctuary, the other needs a plane ticket home.

Don't confuse economic migrants with genuine refugee's.

 

They do take the same route and end up in the same places, but one needs safety and sanctuary, the other needs a plane ticket home.

Ross kemp found quite a mixed bag when he visited both the Calais jungle and Libya. Both risking their lives on a something not much better than a lilo only to live in their own filth. Isn't that the sort of go getter we need?

Re the op - we tried sorting Libya - that's why Libya is in the state its in. It's pretty much unsolvable.

The only way to properly sort the mess out is to go all in with an army and properly take over the country, declare martial law, remove any government and run it ourselves.

Make it worthwhile for the people to live there by paying them to gradually rebuild their countries, cleaning the cities up and making them safer - but whilst also policing it all. Bring up a new generation teaching them how to live peacefully and run a democracy based on the peoples needs and wants, then over the course of a 100+ years or so gradually give the country back in a better state.

Of course this will never happen as it puts 'us' in more danger, our country (government) will lose money out of it and even when places such as Syria are in such dire situations, they still wouldn't want a foreign country being in charge even though they would benefit.

The only way to properly sort the mess out is to go all in with an army and properly take over the country, declare martial law, remove any government and run it ourselves.

Make it worthwhile for the people to live there by paying them to gradually rebuild their countries, cleaning the cities up and making them safer - but whilst also policing it all. Bring up a new generation teaching them how to live peacefully and run a democracy based on the peoples needs and wants, then over the course of a 100+ years or so gradually give the country back in a better state.

 

Of course this will never happen as it puts 'us' in more danger, our country (government) will lose money out of it and even when places such as Syria are in such dire situations, they still wouldn't want a foreign country being in charge even though they would benefit.

Because that worked out sooooooo well in Iraq and Afghanistan. And how much is this going to cost by the way? More or less than giving a few thousand refugees a roof over their heads?

As I said, its unsolvable.

Ross kemp found quite a mixed bag when he visited both the Calais jungle and Libya. Both risking their lives on a something not much better than a lilo only to live in their own filth. Isn't that the sort of go getter we need?

 

Re the op - we tried sorting Libya - that's why Libya is in the state its in. It's pretty much unsolvable.

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We didn't try sorting Libya out we interfered and created the current situation all because Gaddaffi wanted to trade oil in gold and not the US dollar.

Gaddaffi did once say that it was him preventing Europe from turning black, now he is gone Europe is indeed going to end up turning black. ?

We had a lot of the countries when we had the empire and to my mind they wasn't allc coming to Europe.

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We didn't try sorting Libya out we interfered and created the current situation all because Gaddaffi wanted to trade oil in gold and not the US dollar.

Gaddaffi did once say that it was him preventing Europe from turning black, now he is gone Europe is indeed going to end up turning black. ?

That's one slant on it, the main thing is we stuck our nose in and the place is a disaster. We were asked to stick our nose in though.

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We had a lot of the countries when we had the empire and to my mind they wasn't allc coming to Europe.

Because the world has changed since then, it's a lot smaller and people (think) they're better informed.

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We had a lot of the countries when we had the empire and to my mind they wasn't allc coming to Europe.

And we invited loads from what was left of the empire post world war2.

Human trafficking is BIG business in lawless parts of the world.

Because that worked out sooooooo well in Iraq and Afghanistan. And how much is this going to cost by the way? More or less than giving a few thousand refugees a roof over their heads?

 

As I said, its unsolvable.

And it's that kind of mindset that will mean this world will continue to have such huge problems in years to come, for our kids and their kids and so on. If the first question asked is "How much will this cost?" then our thinking needs to change before anything more serious can happen.

It's alright hiding behind a keyboard with a decent internet connection in a warm house, with running water, clean usable toilets and most likely a car outside to take you down the shops at a moments notice for just about anything you can buy for tea.

Do you not think for the sake of humanity we could have worse services, miss some of those luxuries and afford to make tens of thousands of people have a roof over their heads and feel safe for once in their lives...

Never mind what happened with Iraq etc. What I mean is something much bigger and longer term. Quick fixes have been tried, negotiating has been tried, throwing money at the problem has been tried. But as far as I'm aware no country has gone all in to take over a country and help them save themselves. - Not without some sort of discrimination anyway.