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17-07-2017, 12:52   #1021
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Agree with all this. Progress, change, make a better life for ourselves and future generations. All these are dirty concepts to too many vocal Sheffielders.
I'm sure there are plenty of progressive Sheffielders but they don't speak up as they may well be lynched as witches or some such.
I am all for HS2 especially with the preferred route to the city centre. I hope this is confirmed later today. We need improved transport for the whole country. This is going to create or secure thousands of jobs and give the housing market around the centre a lift. Not all is bad.
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17-07-2017, 12:54   #1022
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Do you really need to get to London 20 mins quicker than you can now, even at 500 return a price quoted on the radio this morning as being the sum for a train leaving Leeds at 9am.
It's not about speed. It's about capacity.

If you ever get the inclination to leave the confines of South Yorkshire you'll find that the traffic infrastructure throughout the Midlands is creaking.
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17-07-2017, 12:54   #1023
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Still stick with my original thought - Meadowhall stop on the main HS2 makes much more sense. Road / tram / train access already there, plenty of brownfield space and it serves the whole of South Yorkshire.

Now we get just more capacity going through a town centre station already struggling for infrastructure around it.

Mad.
Putting it in meadowhall defeats the whole idea of the project. Whats the point of shaving 20mins of the length of a journey only to then have to wait in Meadowhall for a tram with your suitcases and then a 20min tram journey into sheffield.

People will just end up getting the normal train.
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17-07-2017, 12:58   #1024
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Putting it in meadowhall defeats the whole idea of the project. Whats the point of shaving 20mins of the length of a journey only to then have to wait in Meadowhall for a tram with your suitcases and then a 20min tram journey into sheffield.

People will just end up getting the normal train.
It's about capacity we are told - not just speed.

So we have it in Sheffield city centre to serve who? Those who live in S10, 11 and 17??

Manchester / Leeds airports are no where near their town centres yet people commute to London by plane (who can afford to).
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17-07-2017, 13:04   #1025
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Putting it in meadowhall defeats the whole idea of the project. Whats the point of shaving 20mins of the length of a journey only to then have to wait in Meadowhall for a tram with your suitcases and then a 20min tram journey into sheffield.

People will just end up getting the normal train.
HS2 will likely take longer than the normal train, and you have the issue of having to change trains and the wait on the platform this entails.
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17-07-2017, 13:05   #1026
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It's about capacity we are told - not just speed.

So we have it in Sheffield city centre to serve who? Those who live in S10, 11 and 17??

Manchester / Leeds airports are no where near their town centres yet people commute to London by plane (who can afford to).
Tinsley have more need to have immediate access to HS2 than the city centre because......?
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17-07-2017, 13:08   #1027
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Tinsley have more need to have immediate access to HS2 than the city centre because......?
My God - did you read my post?

South Yorkshire - not just Tinsley - would be served by HS2 at Meadowhall.

Who, apart from business men who live IN Sheffield, will use HS2 from Sheffield station? Will they travel in from Rotherham, Barnsley and surrounding areas?
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17-07-2017, 13:17   #1028
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Putting it in meadowhall defeats the whole idea of the project. Whats the point of shaving 20mins of the length of a journey only to then have to wait in Meadowhall for a tram with your suitcases and then a 20min tram journey into sheffield.

People will just end up getting the normal train.
So Rotherham as well as Barnsley should not get the full benefit that a station at Meadowhall would provide for all of South Yorkshire.
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17-07-2017, 14:03   #1029
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It's not about speed. It's about capacity.

If you ever get the inclination to leave the confines of South Yorkshire you'll find that the traffic infrastructure throughout the Midlands is creaking.
Traffic infrastructure in alot of places is terrible, actually we don't have it that bad.
We are (and always will) missing a proper outer ring-road round the city, that would solve quite a number of transport issues but as the peak district is on our doorstep it's never going to happen.
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17-07-2017, 14:19   #1030
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We are (and always will) missing a proper outer ring-road round the city, that would solve quite a number of transport issues but as the peak district is on our doorstep it's never going to happen.
What are you on about?
Most of the Western side of the Outer ring road didn't get built because it would have caused too many houses to be demolished in Crookes Ranmoor and walkley at a time when there was a ressession.
Nothing to do with the peak district and many of the alignments are still there today.
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17-07-2017, 14:59   #1031
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Superb map here from forummer JG Harston of the planned route:

http://mdfs.net/maps/Sheffield/Replanned/City.gif
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17-07-2017, 15:07   #1032
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So Rotherham as well as Barnsley should not get the full benefit that a station at Meadowhall would provide for all of South Yorkshire.
I dont care about Rotherham and Barnsley. I live in Sheffield.
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17-07-2017, 15:19   #1033
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and for balance, i live in Sheffield, and do care about Rotherham, Barnsley, Doncaster, etc.
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17-07-2017, 15:35   #1034
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People always on here moaning about the death of the city centre and now they want to move a major railway development out to meadowhall.

Do you think Leeds would allow their HS2 station to be in Headingley?
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17-07-2017, 15:50   #1035
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People always on here moaning about the death of the city centre and now they want to move a major railway development out to meadowhall.

Do you think Leeds would allow their HS2 station to be in Headingley?
What benefit would having HS2 stop in the town centre have on the town centre? I can't think of one.....

I can however guarantee a massive increase in traffic around an already busy area I.e. The train station.

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I dont care about Rotherham and Barnsley. I live in Sheffield.
Oh dear.........
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17-07-2017, 15:57   #1036
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People always on here moaning about the death of the city centre and now they want to move a major railway development out to meadowhall.

Do you think Leeds would allow their HS2 station to be in Headingley?
If the alternative is no HS2 at all, like we are getting now, then yes

The whole point of a parkway station is that there's free and plentiful car parking. Drive to Meadowhall and park is much quicker/cheaper for most than drive to Sheffield city centre and not park

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Im old enough to remember everyone saying exactly the same thing about the Euro tunnel. That it was too expensive and pointless etc etc

And do you remember every one saying the same about the 2012 Olympics? The event was a month long and cost 10bn but in the end we all enjoyed it.

Our lives would not change if we didnt build HS2....we wouldnt get a cheque for 100 sent to everyone

Our country is over populated and we need as much infrastructure as possible. Get it built.
The only problem is that the technology is already now out of date. Maglev ultra-high speed and hyperloop are already being rolled-out in more advanced countries.

It's the same with Hinkley Point - the technology is going to be obsolete by the time it is complete (100% renewables is estimated for 2050)
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17-07-2017, 16:07   #1037
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Confirmed route is
"The re-alignment of the route between Derbyshire and West Yorkshire. The route in
South Yorkshire will be the route consulted in 2016 which in part follows the M1 and M18,
serves Sheffield City Centre via a spur from the HS2 line and includes provision for a
northern junction allowing trains to run between Sheffield and Leeds city centres using
HS2."

Loss of proposed jobs in NE Derbyshire due to loss of train depot- to Leeds.
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17-07-2017, 16:12   #1038
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Confirmed. Sheffield loses its HS2 :-(
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17-07-2017, 16:18   #1039
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Confirmed. Sheffield loses its HS2 :-(
No it doesn't.
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17-07-2017, 16:21   #1040
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No it doesn't.
Urm - yes

It's bypassing South Yorkshire and going straight to Leeds. We have to transfer onto an old chugger at Chesterfield and only 1 in 3 will bother doing that.

Sheffield has just been bypassed.
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