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26-06-2018, 14:03   #10101
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26-06-2018, 14:07   #10102
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A remoaner, confused as to whether he should jump country or not, couldn't quite make it to the finish.

Better than being a lemming I suppose...they all make the finish...for what good it does them..
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26-06-2018, 14:12   #10103
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When the referendum was announced I never heard anything said about it being advisory.
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I know referendums are not legally binding in the UK.
Can you make up your mind, sometime?
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I believe if one is held then the democratic will of the people should be paramount.
Remember that sovereignty-reclaiming argument of the Leavers?

About 2 pages back, you’ll find a post of miné explaining to you that this “will of the people” guff is populist crap, because Parliament is sovereign in the U.K., not the British people. So says the highest Court in the land.

Last I checked, the U.K. thankfully still isn’t an ochlocracy and, if you want a referendum result to be binding (so the “will of the people” expressed in majority at the ballot box has to be respected), then either Parliament must make and vote it so; or, like eg Ireland, you need a written constitution that says it is so.

You didn’t get the first in the EU Referendum Act 2015 and you haven’t got the second, so you can either make your peace with the notion that the EU referendum was advisory only and that this “will of the people” haranguing is snake oil for the easily-led...or wallow in ignorance.

I’m really not bothered which, tbh: I’ve given you the (heavily-)abridged factual version as a primer, to either take as is, or to build your own research and inform your opinion from. You’re entirely free to dismiss it and continue buying the simplistic rethoric of millionaire ex-banker turned British pound-shorting insider trader Farage, and asset/fund manager stashing-it-in-Ireland-in-a-hurry Mogg
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26-06-2018, 14:28   #10104
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A remoaner, confused as to whether he should jump country or not, couldn't quite make it to the finish.
You know what, I think many leave voters have gone so far down the rabbit hole they can’t be reasoned with.

Do you think all these warnings from industry are just for fun.
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26-06-2018, 14:53   #10105
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You know what, I think many leave voters have gone so far down the rabbit hole they can’t be reasoned with.
I think you've hit the nail on the head there.

So many leave voters totally swallowed all the populist nonsense about leaving the EU and literally bet their future on it. Now that everything they were promised has turned out to be a big fat lie, they can't admit it, even to themselves.

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26-06-2018, 15:04   #10106
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You know what, I think many leave voters have gone so far down the rabbit hole they can’t be reasoned with.

Do you think all these warnings from industry are just for fun.
Yes it seems so.

"BMW's Brexit U-turn: German car giant will NOT quit the UK in no deal scenario"

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/97...airbus-siemens
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26-06-2018, 15:33   #10107
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Yes it seems so.

"BMW's Brexit U-turn: German car giant will NOT quit the UK in no deal scenario"

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/97...airbus-siemens
There is no other difference than timescale, between “closing factories” (yesterday’s message) and “not pulling investment out” (which is the statement reported by your Express link): a factory starved of investment eventually closes (rather soon, in the premium automotive segment, as well), you don’t need to take anything ‘out’ or ‘back’ from it.

Interesting that your linked article reprises the low investment level of £347m this year (to date) in the automotive industry, relative to the full year total of £1.1bn last year; but then doesn’t push the investigative boat out to consider the 2016 (£1.6bn) and 2015 (£2.5bn) levels for the full trend. On the face of the full historical series, you’d swear “something happened” in 2016...
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26-06-2018, 15:49   #10108
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Yes it seems so.

"BMW's Brexit U-turn: German car giant will NOT quit the UK in no deal scenario"

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/97...airbus-siemens
Another view on the car industry

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-car-industry
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26-06-2018, 15:51   #10109
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There is no other difference than timescale, between “closing factories” (yesterday’s message) and “not pulling investment out” (which is the statement reported by your Express link): a factory starved of investment eventually closes (rather soon, in the premium automotive segment, as well), you don’t need to take anything ‘out’ or ‘back’ from it.

Interesting that your linked article reprises the low investment level of £347m this year (to date) in the automotive industry, relative to the full year total of £1.1bn last year; but then doesn’t push the investigative boat out to consider the 2016 (£1.6bn) and 2015 (£2.5bn) levels for the full trend. On the face of the full historical series, you’d swear “something happened” in 2016...
Keep trying,

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sp...6QEwDw#imgrc=_
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26-06-2018, 15:56   #10110
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Trying what?

Have you anyhting substantive to say at all on the matter? You've led this country down the garden path to mediocrity and economic stagnation and all you can come up with is a spinning top?
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26-06-2018, 16:02   #10111
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Trying what?

Have you anyhting substantive to say at all on the matter? You've led this country down the garden path to mediocrity and economic stagnation and all you can come up with is a spinning top?
To be fair, it's more than they usually come up with
 
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To be fair, it's more than they usually come up with
Sadly you are entirely correct.
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26-06-2018, 16:04   #10113
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There is no other difference than timescale, between “closing factories” (yesterday’s message) and “not pulling investment out” (which is the statement reported by your Express link): a factory starved of investment eventually closes (rather soon, in the premium automotive segment, as well), you don’t need to take anything ‘out’ or ‘back’ from it.
The head of the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders said much the same on the BBC news earlier today:
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I asked Mr Hawes what the effect would be if there was no "deal" with the EU agreed before the end of the year.

"It won't be an overnight closure but it could be a death by a thousand cuts," he told me.

"Gradually the competitiveness of the UK is eroded, making it that much harder to attract the investment, and it's the investment that makes it [the UK car sector] so competitive.
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26-06-2018, 16:29   #10114
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If a group of people were able to make decisions that affected me I think I'd sooner be in that group than looking in from the outside wondering what they're going to do...and then having to fit in with whatever they decided..
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26-06-2018, 17:02   #10115
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Yet again the moderating team have had to use their time to clear up your messes. Let me make this perfectly clear. Any further personal attacks will get all participants a permanent suspension.

The thread is going to be locked for a while so you all get a chance to read and understand this and to hopefully learn how to amend your posting styles.
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